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that leaves ZRH and AMS as the only business routes from LCY which proves that that model is no longer working for BA. Originally Posted by sigma421
Even from Canary Wharf, Heathrow is a less hideous prospect than it once was thanks to Crossrail. City's USP was always going to be hurt a bit by Crossrail and I think the gradual shift from BA away from business hubs towards places that upper middle class people like to go on holiday shows this.
The question for winter 26/27 would be, what will BA do with all those slots from LCY?
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The question for winter 26/27 would be, what will BA do with all those slots from LCY?
Id argue that EDI, GLA, BHD and DUB also count as business routes, although there will be more of a mixOriginally Posted by BA6948
that leaves ZRH and AMS as the only business routes from LCY which proves that that model is no longer working for BA.The question for winter 26/27 would be, what will BA do with all those slots from LCY?
So we know which routes are being axed... but any news on new routes starting or is it increased frequencies on existing routes?
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(And to defend the agent somewhat, she did say that she'd checked with a supervisor beforehand, unprompted - albeit that's at best a numbers game if the supervisor is not applying the regs correctly).
When BA cancelled flights to HAM late last year I was told on the phone that they couldn't rebook me with EW because they have no arrangement with them, so I had to book them myself, and I need to get around to claiming back the three tickets I bought while at the airport. BA offered routings via MUC via LH but I wanted to keep a direct flight to save a risj of a misconnect or other cancellationsOriginally Posted by Cymro
It's not just UK261 - that would probably have got me a rebooking on Eurowings if I'd eventually litigated it - but rather a breach of Reg. 15 (1) and (4) of the Package Travel and Linked Travel Arrangements Regulations 2018, i.e., that the airline is no longer able to fulfil performance of not only the flight but the linked car hire, and this gives right to redress under Reg. 16. The airline may argue that the reason for the increased cost is due to me (the traveller) due to my choice of destination airport (Para. 4 (a) of Reg. 16) but I didn't cancel any flights or instigate the change, other than by declining the refund that they were so keen to push.(And to defend the agent somewhat, she did say that she'd checked with a supervisor beforehand, unprompted - albeit that's at best a numbers game if the supervisor is not applying the regs correctly).
With BA going down hard on Germany with the STR and CGN cancellations, it can seem peculiar that HAJ (Hanover) remains.
Currently shows as 13/7 for summer (used to be thrice daily?). I guess the explanation here would be that BA are the only airline from the UK to HAJ?
Currently shows as 13/7 for summer (used to be thrice daily?). I guess the explanation here would be that BA are the only airline from the UK to HAJ?
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Currently shows as 13/7 for summer (used to be thrice daily?). I guess the explanation here would be that BA are the only airline from the UK to HAJ?
HAJ is a route they inherited from bmi, who used to often run the thing on an ERJ-145, so as you say it's interesting it's continued. Lack of competition and the fact that HAJ isn't especially close to a good alternative probably explain it as you suggest.Originally Posted by treppenlaeufer
With BA going down hard on Germany with the STR and CGN cancellations, it can seem peculiar that HAJ (Hanover) remains.Currently shows as 13/7 for summer (used to be thrice daily?). I guess the explanation here would be that BA are the only airline from the UK to HAJ?
Well as someone that works in Canary Wharf and regularly hops to Germany to see family and friends CityFlyer has been running Germany down and BA in general ex LHR has been retreating since the combination of Covid and the thing that shall not be mentioned beginning with a B. A shame as it was very convenient, but the schedules are not a patch on what they were even on the remaining core routes. That combined with the Exec Club to BA Club change, and LHG are benefiting from my money. The afternoon DUS flight used to be handy - I even sometimes grabbed that had dinner in the Altstadt then hopped on the sleeper to wake up in Tirol ready for the day in the mountains with friends and family there. Also many flights to STR over the years.
I am not sure what the strategy is here for DACH - I get you adjust to demand and things have shifted, but even if you look at what remains frequency or offering is not really great or competitive: LCY-ZRH now has the last BA flight at 16:05 while LX has flights at 17:40 and 19:10. Means my flights to see my brother in ZRH have shifted to LX as I can work all day then fly over. MUC and FRA also see LH offer more flights than BA and I get the sense BA isn't really in the fight - I expect they get a fair few connecting pax alongside point to points. I still remember when the busy FRA and MUC flights were 767s and schedules or at least frequencies tended to try and mirror LH - taking next Monday LH have 9 flights LHR-MUC and BA 6.
I am not sure what the strategy is here for DACH - I get you adjust to demand and things have shifted, but even if you look at what remains frequency or offering is not really great or competitive: LCY-ZRH now has the last BA flight at 16:05 while LX has flights at 17:40 and 19:10. Means my flights to see my brother in ZRH have shifted to LX as I can work all day then fly over. MUC and FRA also see LH offer more flights than BA and I get the sense BA isn't really in the fight - I expect they get a fair few connecting pax alongside point to points. I still remember when the busy FRA and MUC flights were 767s and schedules or at least frequencies tended to try and mirror LH - taking next Monday LH have 9 flights LHR-MUC and BA 6.
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I dont think BA can do without night stops. There isnt enough space at LHR and LCY to park all shorthaul aircraft. Originally Posted by sigma421
The lack of night stops is another interesting point. I think there's been a push to reduce the amount of nightstopping BA does over the last few years, quite a few have gone.
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The catchment area of HAJ is bigger than you would expect. Massively helped by the fact that HAM is north of the Elbe, and BRE is a bit like Norwich: the only proper international scheduled flight is KL to AMS. Originally Posted by sigma421
HAJ is a route they inherited from bmi, who used to often run the thing on an ERJ-145, so as you say it's interesting it's continued. Lack of competition and the fact that HAJ isn't especially close to a good alternative probably explain it as you suggest.
HAJ is also a great option for anyone wanting a cheap last minute Christmas market flight on BA (Celle, Lneburg, Braunschweig, and even Hamburg are all easy to reach from there).
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It's not actually true.Originally Posted by sigma421
The lack of night stops is another interesting point. I think there's been a push to reduce the amount of nightstopping BA does over the last few years, quite a few have gone.
JER, WAW, TBS, TLV, summer only FLR + NAP plus 2nd and 3rd nightstop aircraft in assorted domestic destinations are all new in recent years. There's a few losses but similar numbers of shorthaul aircraft out of LHR each night.
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LCY has also seemingly conspired to make the departure experience worse as well. For work travel on BA it’s much more pleasant to rock up at TFW and go straight through to the lounge for a coffee and snack then straight to the gate than the LCY alternative of queuing for 10-15 minutes with no fast track for security then probably queue for another five to ten minutes to get a coffee in the morning. Being based near Canary Wharf, I like to fly back to LCY where possible but as GGL find LHR departures vastly more pleasant.Originally Posted by sigma421
Even from Canary Wharf, Heathrow is a less hideous prospect than it once was thanks to Crossrail. City's USP was always going to be hurt a bit by Crossrail and I think the gradual shift from BA away from business hubs towards places that upper middle class people like to go on holiday shows this.











