Zone 2 to Zone 8 but with thai via zone 7 how many miles needet?
Apr 26, 2006 | 1:58 am
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Zone 2 to Zone 8 but with thai via zone 7 how many miles needet?
Hi,
i read a lot of the award posts here, but i didnt find an answer on my questions.
so may be someone can help me.
i am planning to fly MXP- NRT (via BKK on thai)
so here is the problem.
MXP (z 2) to NRT (zone 8) = 25000 Miles for an oneway
but
MXP to BKK (zone 7 ) =40000 Miles for an oneway
I want to stopover in BKK.
i think one stopover is OK.
So if i do this with cash and points in business will this be correct?
MXP (z 2) to NRT (zone 8) = 25000 Miles for an oneway
25000 x 1.5 + 170 x 1.5 /2 = 37500 + 128 Pound + tax?
please help.
and another question, how much SPG points is a bmi mile worth? i would like to CC it later.
dp
i read a lot of the award posts here, but i didnt find an answer on my questions.
so may be someone can help me.
i am planning to fly MXP- NRT (via BKK on thai)
so here is the problem.
MXP (z 2) to NRT (zone 8) = 25000 Miles for an oneway
but
MXP to BKK (zone 7 ) =40000 Miles for an oneway
I want to stopover in BKK.
i think one stopover is OK.
So if i do this with cash and points in business will this be correct?
MXP (z 2) to NRT (zone 8) = 25000 Miles for an oneway
25000 x 1.5 + 170 x 1.5 /2 = 37500 + 128 Pound + tax?
please help.
and another question, how much SPG points is a bmi mile worth? i would like to CC it later.
dp
Apr 26, 2006 | 2:33 am
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Not sure what the rule is on stopovers - isn't it 24 hours or less?
As for SPG / BMI - Amex Membership Rewards goes 1:1 into BMI but 1:2 into SPG. Using Amex as a base currency, 1 BMI mile would be worth 0.5 SPG points.
On the other hand, SPG points can be transferred to most mileage schemes (but not BMI) at a 1:1 ratio.
As for SPG / BMI - Amex Membership Rewards goes 1:1 into BMI but 1:2 into SPG. Using Amex as a base currency, 1 BMI mile would be worth 0.5 SPG points.
On the other hand, SPG points can be transferred to most mileage schemes (but not BMI) at a 1:1 ratio.
Apr 26, 2006 | 4:52 am
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AFAIK, you are allowed one stopover (so to stay in a city more than 24h) and you are free to use it in BKK and spend some days there. And the good news is that you will get charged zone 2 to zone 8...
I think it's quite common by flyertalkers here to book a trip to zone 8 and making a stopover in BKK or SIN, isn't it (at least for leisure travel)?
I think it's quite common by flyertalkers here to book a trip to zone 8 and making a stopover in BKK or SIN, isn't it (at least for leisure travel)?
Apr 26, 2006 | 5:03 am
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Originally Posted by derpelikan
So if i do this with cash and points in business will this be correct?
MXP (z 2) to NRT (zone 8) = 25000 Miles for an oneway
25000 x 1.5 + 170 x 1.5 /2 = 37500 + 128 Pound + tax?
MXP (z 2) to NRT (zone 8) = 25000 Miles for an oneway
25000 x 1.5 + 170 x 1.5 /2 = 37500 + 128 Pound + tax?
Apr 26, 2006 | 5:22 am
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wow
Originally Posted by UK flyer
Miles plus cash for one-way from Zone 2 to Zone 8 in C will equate to (12500 x 1.5) + (85 x 1.5) = 18750 miles + 127.50 + tax.
now i have to find someone to trade me this bmi miles. but luckily i have enough time before my next trip.
dp
Apr 26, 2006 | 6:06 am
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Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer1
AFAIK, you are allowed one stopover (so to stay in a city more than 24h) and you are free to use it in BKK and spend some days there. And the good news is that you will get charged zone 2 to zone 8...
Otherwise, check out this scenario: I want to fly CPH-BKK return, and I break it into two trips
(1) Oneway CPH-BKK (stopover) BKK-NRT (or PVG or KIX or HKG...)
(2) Oneway NRT-CPH, departing 2 hours after arrival of the outbound
Now does that cost 25+25=50? ...or 40+25=65? ...or 40+40=80?
Boy, if I had more free time, and fewer soon-to-be-Lufty(*) miles, I would definitely have done that instead of my recent zone 1 to zone 7 first class redemption...
(* scurrilous rumour)
Apr 26, 2006 | 8:18 am
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as i understand it
as per the rules you can make one stopover .
if you are only 23hours 59minutes , its not a stopover.
stopover is over 24hours.
in my special case the only airline which is flying non-stop to NRT is Thai airways from mxp, so i think i will have no problems in getting this award with the lower mileage.
so if you redeem a bmi award a bit playing and getting the right agent can save you a lot of miles if you are going for first class tickets.
dp
if you are only 23hours 59minutes , its not a stopover.
stopover is over 24hours.
in my special case the only airline which is flying non-stop to NRT is Thai airways from mxp, so i think i will have no problems in getting this award with the lower mileage.
so if you redeem a bmi award a bit playing and getting the right agent can save you a lot of miles if you are going for first class tickets.
dp
Apr 26, 2006 | 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by derpelikan
as per the rules you can make one stopover .
if you are only 23hours 59minutes , its not a stopover.
stopover is over 24hours.
in my special case the only airline which is flying non-stop to NRT is Thai airways from mxp, so i think i will have no problems in getting this award with the lower mileage.
so if you redeem a bmi award a bit playing and getting the right agent can save you a lot of miles if you are going for first class tickets.
dp
if you are only 23hours 59minutes , its not a stopover.
stopover is over 24hours.
in my special case the only airline which is flying non-stop to NRT is Thai airways from mxp, so i think i will have no problems in getting this award with the lower mileage.
so if you redeem a bmi award a bit playing and getting the right agent can save you a lot of miles if you are going for first class tickets.
dp
Also, any other ideas how to get an award ticket or upgrade using TG from the US to SIN or Southeast Asia in such a manner?
Thanks in advance!
Apr 26, 2006 | 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by kt74
But a >24hr stop is charged at the higher of the stopover and destination zone?
Apr 26, 2006 | 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by stut
Interesting! So a 'creative' routing such as MXP-(TG)-BKK-(stop)-(TG)-HKG-(NZ)-LHR-(throwaway)-CPH would count as a z2-z8?
Apr 26, 2006 | 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by wobbly wings
How could you insist on routing rtn via lhr?
Apr 26, 2006 | 2:47 pm
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If this routing is allowed, why CPH-(SK)-LHR-(NZ)-AKL-(SQ)-NRT-(NZ)-LAX-LHR-(SK)-CPH is not allowed? I'm only transferring! 
Honestly, I don't think it is fair to use a transfer point in higher award level zone(ie BKK in this case) when there is/are legal routing between two zones.
Honestly, I don't think it is fair to use a transfer point in higher award level zone(ie BKK in this case) when there is/are legal routing between two zones.
Apr 26, 2006 | 2:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer1
No, you are allowed to make the stopover in a higher priced zone and you will get charged the amount of miles for your destination zone. This is usually reported here and bmi/diamond club-agents handle it with no problems...
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=499650
Originally Posted by derpelikan
as per the rules you can make one stopover .
if you are only 23hours 59minutes , its not a stopover.
stopover is over 24hours.
in my special case the only airline which is flying non-stop to NRT is Thai airways from mxp, so i think i will have no problems in getting this award with the lower mileage
if you are only 23hours 59minutes , its not a stopover.
stopover is over 24hours.
in my special case the only airline which is flying non-stop to NRT is Thai airways from mxp, so i think i will have no problems in getting this award with the lower mileage
Personally, I don't care which is right. I just wish they'd make it clear
Last edited by kt74; Apr 26, 2006 at 2:55 pm Reason: Cos I'm dizzy...
