Which FF program to replace DC for you?
#31


Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,795
For a frequent flyer i don't see A3 earn/burn ratio attractive at all. If one is struggling with even reaching *A-Gold status it could be useful.
In my opinion star alliance should not have any member who are offering Gold-membership under 40 000miles or even less. This devaluates the whole program and the services/benefits are getting fewer and fewer. You can witness this by example looking one of the "Red Carpet Club" lounges in US. Sad.
In my opinion star alliance should not have any member who are offering Gold-membership under 40 000miles or even less. This devaluates the whole program and the services/benefits are getting fewer and fewer. You can witness this by example looking one of the "Red Carpet Club" lounges in US. Sad.
#32
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: TUN
Programs: TK E+
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#33


Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: UK
Programs: A3 gld, BA bron, KL silv, 6C plat, EH silv, EM, GT, HY, NH, NS, RT, SH, SW gold, BW, WY
Posts: 998
Pros
Elite members get a redeemable earning bonus on some airlines in higher cost ticket buckets (from 2012 this covers almost all ticket buckets on UA/CO). On United redemptions you do have the option of increasing the miles you pay by 100-125% and virtually guaranteeing redemption availability. Elites are exempt from baggage fees. There is a mileage earning credit card (Amex) available to UK members.
Cons
Redeemable mileage earning is lower than BD (typically 150% for business). Only Elite members earn minimum 500 miles per flight. Number of non-earning ticket categories within Europe and within N. America is higher than with BD (although the number of intermediate earning - 25%, 50% - is fewer). Saver redemptions (i.e. normal redemptions with restricted availability) require about 60-70% more miles than BD for business, economy is marginally more (in effect therefore the number of C class segments flown on most airlines other than UA to earn a C-class redemption is roughly double BD). UA*G requires 50k miles (although this is a Con, there isn't really anything better than this except A3 and BD of course). UA*G does not provide lounge access in US unless flying internationally the same day.
Elite members get a redeemable earning bonus on some airlines in higher cost ticket buckets (from 2012 this covers almost all ticket buckets on UA/CO). On United redemptions you do have the option of increasing the miles you pay by 100-125% and virtually guaranteeing redemption availability. Elites are exempt from baggage fees. There is a mileage earning credit card (Amex) available to UK members.
Cons
Redeemable mileage earning is lower than BD (typically 150% for business). Only Elite members earn minimum 500 miles per flight. Number of non-earning ticket categories within Europe and within N. America is higher than with BD (although the number of intermediate earning - 25%, 50% - is fewer). Saver redemptions (i.e. normal redemptions with restricted availability) require about 60-70% more miles than BD for business, economy is marginally more (in effect therefore the number of C class segments flown on most airlines other than UA to earn a C-class redemption is roughly double BD). UA*G requires 50k miles (although this is a Con, there isn't really anything better than this except A3 and BD of course). UA*G does not provide lounge access in US unless flying internationally the same day.
#34


Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: GVA,OPO
Programs: BD the last decent FFP
Posts: 1,861
DC is a great program for C and F earnings. And Y with the American partners.
Terrible for an European Y LH/LX flyer.
Here is a practical demonstration of what i mean above:
Take DC vs M&M, 2 respective Silver members are trying to go for Gold.
They fly mostly Intra Europe LX/LH Mid Y fares (V, G, S, Q, T, W).
DC earns 300 per segment. Gold at 38k. 38'000/300= 127 segments needed for Gold
M&M earns (750+188). Gold at 100K. 100'000/938= 107 segments needed for Gold
So a ~3 times higher threshold for gold requires ~20% less segments than the "easy FFP".
GBM
Last edited by GBM.flights; Nov 6, 2011 at 8:31 am Reason: European Y flyer specified
#35


Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,795
I agree with your concern, but I think the statement of 40'000 is overly simplistic. You ignore the earnings portion.
DC is a great program for C and F earnings. And Y with the American partners.
Terrible for a European Y LH/LX flyer.
Here is a practical demonstration of what i mean above:
Take DC vs M&M, 2 respective Silver members are trying to go for Gold.
They fly mostly Intra Europe LX/LH Mid Y fares (V, G, S, Q, T, W).
DC earns 300 per segment. Gold at 38k. 38'000/300= 127 segments needed for Gold
M&M earns (750+188). Gold at 100K. 100'000/938= 107 segments needed for Gold
So a ~3 times higher threshold for gold requires ~20% less segments than the "easy FFP".
GBM
DC is a great program for C and F earnings. And Y with the American partners.
Terrible for a European Y LH/LX flyer.
Here is a practical demonstration of what i mean above:
Take DC vs M&M, 2 respective Silver members are trying to go for Gold.
They fly mostly Intra Europe LX/LH Mid Y fares (V, G, S, Q, T, W).
DC earns 300 per segment. Gold at 38k. 38'000/300= 127 segments needed for Gold
M&M earns (750+188). Gold at 100K. 100'000/938= 107 segments needed for Gold
So a ~3 times higher threshold for gold requires ~20% less segments than the "easy FFP".
GBM
#36


Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,795
Any US Airways Dividend Miles user here? Pros and Cons? Mainly looking for J-redemptions from Europe to rest of the world. No credit card. Only flying in business and not flying with LH metal. Burn-ratio seems quite good..
#37


Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: SEA/ORD/ADB
Programs: TK ELPL (*G), AS 100K (OWE), BA Gold (OWE), Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Plat, IHG Plat
Posts: 7,773
To clarify....assuming lots of people decide to use A3 for status only, and some other program for accruing all miles after the first 20k. Then A3 are likely to move quickly to change the program as the costs would be very high unless they also get the benefit of being paid when members credit miles.
#39
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Join Date: Nov 2002
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Terms and conditions of what? You can use one program for status and another one for mileage accrual. Nothing wrong about it at all.
#40
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Join Date: Nov 2002
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Programs: Most
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Personally, I don't care about the status because once UA/CO has tallied the lifetime miles it will make me a lifetime *G.
I have used BD extensively for awards that are not possible using more traditional programs i.e. HAV-YYZ-GRU-JNB-ABJ. Not sure if there is a program that allows the same level of flexibility?
I have used BD extensively for awards that are not possible using more traditional programs i.e. HAV-YYZ-GRU-JNB-ABJ. Not sure if there is a program that allows the same level of flexibility?
#41


Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: SEA/ORD/ADB
Programs: TK ELPL (*G), AS 100K (OWE), BA Gold (OWE), Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Plat, IHG Plat
Posts: 7,773
Since it is against terms and conditions, there clearly IS something wrong about it...
It is the fact that the rules are so quirky that I support an Aegean Airlines forum. For all of you who haven't already (and a big thank you to those who have), please voice your support. The link is in my signature.
#42
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: SE1, London & White River, South Africa
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On balance TK looks the most likely option for me. I actually fly them sometimes and the blend of earn/burn and status threshold makes Elite look achievable and attractive.
#43
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Europe
Programs: Mucci, BAEC Gold, Aegean Gold
Posts: 2,115
Thank you.
#44
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,992
Does anyone know any program's which are good for family accounts?
I've got a number of people flying out from LHR to NYC next year, and want to get the miles. From looking, I think ANA has the beat family account at the moment (in terms of the number of people per family), but I could be wrong??
Cheers
I've got a number of people flying out from LHR to NYC next year, and want to get the miles. From looking, I think ANA has the beat family account at the moment (in terms of the number of people per family), but I could be wrong??
Cheers
#45
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: England
Programs: BD*G, A3*G, Alaska G, LH, HHonors, Accor, Priority Club; Tufty Club Diamond
Posts: 80
A quick question about TK Miles and Bonus...
To get to gold for the first time, do you need to reach 25,000 status miles first, and then gather another consecutive 40,000 status miles on top of that? A little like Diamond Club's initial 18,000 to silver and then a fresh 38,000 to gold?
To get to gold for the first time, do you need to reach 25,000 status miles first, and then gather another consecutive 40,000 status miles on top of that? A little like Diamond Club's initial 18,000 to silver and then a fresh 38,000 to gold?


