S.Korea Govt orders 45 days ICN-SFO suspension
Nov 15, 2014, 12:40 pm
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I hope so, Im coming home on oz212 on 12/31.
Nov 15, 2014, 4:39 pm
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Also, not sure why you assume that posters are male - viz. "guys".
Nov 18, 2014, 8:08 am
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According to this, Asiana is pleased the suspension wasn't longer.
I'm not sure the source is mainstream, so I'll let you conclude how much to take and how much to leave. Personally I'm inclined to accept the quote as legit.
Originally Posted by Unnamed Asiana source
Asiana Airlines is still to decide if it will appeal a suspension of its flights to San Francisco following a fatal 2013 crash, a company source saying Saturday that executives feel they got of lightly - despite statements to the contrary.
Just one day after the company announced it would challenge the South Korean government's ruling, the insider has told The Anadolu Agency that there is an in-house consensus that it had escaped far more serious punishment.
“We have two weeks to appeal and nothing is set in stone, but we are still considering what to do because to be honest we have got off light,” said the man, who did not wish to be named given the sensitivity of the case.
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South Korea's transport ministry imposed a 45-day suspension Friday, however the source said that the airline had feared that it could have been as long as 180-days – 45 days was the minimum punishment it could have faced under Korean law.
“We can choose when to start the suspension, and if we do it during our off-peak season the damages will be greatly reduced,” he added.
The source said that he expected Korean Air - Asiana’s main rival - to be furious with the decision.
As evidence, he highlighted that its services to Guam were stopped for more than four years after a 1997 crash claimed 228 lives, and that it was one of only two airlines that fly into South Korea’s Incheon International Airport that had refused to petition for leniency for Asiana - the other being its budget division Jin Air.
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Kwon Yong-bok of South Korea’s transport ministry aviation security division told reporters Friday that the committee had decided to reduce the duration of the suspension in consideration of the flight crew's efforts to minimize casualties in the aftermath of the crash.
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The company’s stocks rallied on the local KOSPI bourse on Friday, rising 4.58 percent as the lighter-than-expected suspension was announced.
Just one day after the company announced it would challenge the South Korean government's ruling, the insider has told The Anadolu Agency that there is an in-house consensus that it had escaped far more serious punishment.
“We have two weeks to appeal and nothing is set in stone, but we are still considering what to do because to be honest we have got off light,” said the man, who did not wish to be named given the sensitivity of the case.
[...]
South Korea's transport ministry imposed a 45-day suspension Friday, however the source said that the airline had feared that it could have been as long as 180-days – 45 days was the minimum punishment it could have faced under Korean law.
“We can choose when to start the suspension, and if we do it during our off-peak season the damages will be greatly reduced,” he added.
The source said that he expected Korean Air - Asiana’s main rival - to be furious with the decision.
As evidence, he highlighted that its services to Guam were stopped for more than four years after a 1997 crash claimed 228 lives, and that it was one of only two airlines that fly into South Korea’s Incheon International Airport that had refused to petition for leniency for Asiana - the other being its budget division Jin Air.
[...]
Kwon Yong-bok of South Korea’s transport ministry aviation security division told reporters Friday that the committee had decided to reduce the duration of the suspension in consideration of the flight crew's efforts to minimize casualties in the aftermath of the crash.
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The company’s stocks rallied on the local KOSPI bourse on Friday, rising 4.58 percent as the lighter-than-expected suspension was announced.
Nov 18, 2014, 6:34 pm
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lol. Please put some thought into your comment before posting.
Not only that, like someone said, after KE crash in Guam they were banned for like 3 years so... 45 days vs 3 years..
Nov 18, 2014, 7:11 pm
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KE 801 crash in Guam in 1997 was much worse than OZ crash in SFO last year.
Deaths: 228 (22 of 23 crew, 206 of 231 passengers) vs 3
Also KE 801 crash was followed by KE 8702 accident in 1998, KE 1533 accident in 1999 , KE 6316 crash in Shanghai in 1999 , and KE 8509 crash near London in 1999.
So, you can't really compare OZ accident with the KE's accidents at the same level.
No wonder, the ban lasted longer.
Deaths: 228 (22 of 23 crew, 206 of 231 passengers) vs 3
Also KE 801 crash was followed by KE 8702 accident in 1998, KE 1533 accident in 1999 , KE 6316 crash in Shanghai in 1999 , and KE 8509 crash near London in 1999.
So, you can't really compare OZ accident with the KE's accidents at the same level.
No wonder, the ban lasted longer.
Nov 18, 2014, 9:22 pm
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KE 801 crash in Guam in 1997 was much worse than OZ crash in SFO last year.
Deaths: 228 (22 of 23 crew, 206 of 231 passengers) vs 3
Also KE 801 crash was followed by KE 8702 accident in 1998, KE 1533 accident in 1999 , KE 6316 crash in Shanghai in 1999 , and KE 8509 crash near London in 1999.
So, you can't really compare OZ accident with the KE's accidents at the same level.
No wonder, the ban lasted longer.
Deaths: 228 (22 of 23 crew, 206 of 231 passengers) vs 3
Also KE 801 crash was followed by KE 8702 accident in 1998, KE 1533 accident in 1999 , KE 6316 crash in Shanghai in 1999 , and KE 8509 crash near London in 1999.
So, you can't really compare OZ accident with the KE's accidents at the same level.
No wonder, the ban lasted longer.
And I agree with the poster above who stated that it will really just inconvenience the passengers.....
Nov 19, 2014, 6:31 am
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Nov 20, 2014, 10:28 am
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Drat's... When I read this possible suspension, I didn't think it would affect me in the least bit since my travels tend to be to EU and SA when departing from SFO. But yesterday, I was informed I'm going to Seoul either early Dec or early Jan! Yikes!!
Will have to closely monitor things and options now!!
Will have to closely monitor things and options now!!
Dec 4, 2014, 10:36 pm
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According to local news in S.Korea:
S.Korean Ministry of Land Infrastructure Transportation (MOLIT) upholds 45 days ICN-SFO suspension after reviewing OZ's petition for reconsideration.
MOLIT's reasons for upholding:
1) Pilot Error
2) Lack of Proper Training
3) KE also received temporary route suspension before
4) If a fine is issued, it is only USD 1.5 million. As a punishment, it is not enough.
However, OZ says it is willing to go all the way to administrative court.
I can understand OZ's desperateness on this one. KUMHO Asiana Group acquired and merged too many unprofitable business in the past. Now coughing up all the money for its minus balance sheet.
S.Korean Ministry of Land Infrastructure Transportation (MOLIT) upholds 45 days ICN-SFO suspension after reviewing OZ's petition for reconsideration.
MOLIT's reasons for upholding:
1) Pilot Error
2) Lack of Proper Training
3) KE also received temporary route suspension before
4) If a fine is issued, it is only USD 1.5 million. As a punishment, it is not enough.
However, OZ says it is willing to go all the way to administrative court.
I can understand OZ's desperateness on this one. KUMHO Asiana Group acquired and merged too many unprofitable business in the past. Now coughing up all the money for its minus balance sheet.
Dec 5, 2014, 4:30 am
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From a financial perspective, I can understand it as well, but I don't really think they're doing themselves any favors by fighting this. They got the minimum penalty in terms of suspension length, and as MOLIT stated, the maximum fine would have been absurdly low (why the law provides for an absolute number cap is strange to me, btw. It seems like a % of revenue would be better). So yeah, I don't see them getting off any easier than they already have and just being contrite and accepting the suspension would seem like a better publicity move.
Dec 9, 2014, 4:44 pm
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Dec 10, 2014, 1:03 am
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She hated that, too.
I stopped being friends with her.
Jessica..... is that you?
