5x points and FHR?
Mar 2, 2018, 10:04 am
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5x points and FHR?
I can'f find an actual confirmation on the site but I'm presuming that if I book my hotel through FHR program that I'll still get the 5x points (even though it's technically not "amex travel").
Also - do room charges during the stay count towards the 5x? For instance in Vegas I generally just use the card but it occurs to me (just now, derp) that if I'm staying at an MGM property and dine at an MGM restaurant that I should just apply it to the room bill and pick up the points?
Also - do room charges during the stay count towards the 5x? For instance in Vegas I generally just use the card but it occurs to me (just now, derp) that if I'm staying at an MGM property and dine at an MGM restaurant that I should just apply it to the room bill and pick up the points?
Mar 2, 2018, 12:04 pm
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Neither FHR bookings or room charges count toward 5x.
5x benifit terms can be found at the bottom of https://www.americanexpress.com/us/c...otels/platinum
One Mile confirms no 5x here: Amex Platinum Card Benefits: 5x Points On Airfare & Hotels - One Mile at a Time
5x benifit terms can be found at the bottom of https://www.americanexpress.com/us/c...otels/platinum
One Mile confirms no 5x here: Amex Platinum Card Benefits: 5x Points On Airfare & Hotels - One Mile at a Time
Unfortunately all other kinds of hotel bookings, including those made directly through a hotel, refundable bookings made through amextravel.com, or American Express Fine Hotels & Resorts bookings, aren’t eligible for this benefit.
Mar 2, 2018, 12:37 pm
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As of today, FHR doesn't qualify for 5x. However, OMAAT does note a rumor that it may be in the works.
Rumored New Amex Platinum Perks Coming In 2018 - One Mile at a Time
A reader who works at a hotel that belongs to Fine Hotels & Resorts reports that Amex is getting backend and billing information from hotels participating in this program so that they can introduce two benefits:
- Offering 5x points on Fine Hotels & Resorts bookings with the Amex Platinum Card
- Allowing Pay With Points to be used for Fine Hotels & Resorts bookings; on the personal version of the card you can only get at most one cent per point, while on the business version they offer up to a 35% on points redeemed through this method, though we’d have to see if this is extended to hotel bookings
Mar 2, 2018, 12:44 pm
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As of today, FHR doesn't qualify for 5x. However, OMAAT does note a rumor that it may be in the works.
Rumored New Amex Platinum Perks Coming In 2018 - One Mile at a Time
Rumored New Amex Platinum Perks Coming In 2018 - One Mile at a Time
Mar 2, 2018, 4:15 pm
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Actually it doesn't. FHR booking carries additional benefits of considerable value that may be considered in lieu of any points bonus. My assumption is that AMEX gets a better commission on non-FHR bookings, and that's why they offer 5x on one, but not the other.
It already earns more on airline tix (5x) than any other card. This is arguably the single best credit card earn bonus there is.
It already earns more on airline tix (5x) than any other card. This is arguably the single best credit card earn bonus there is.
Mar 3, 2018, 8:07 am
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Mar 3, 2018, 12:06 pm
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The quotation attributed to the hotel employee suggests that this is technological limitation, not a financial decision.
The current benefit applies only to prepaid hotel stays booked through Amex Travel. Most FHR stays are postpaid. American Express needs a way to track an FHR booking from reservation through to a specific card transaction.
...getting backend and billing information from hotels participating in this program so that they can introduce two benefits:
Offering 5x points on Fine Hotels & Resorts bookings with the Amex Platinum Card
Offering 5x points on Fine Hotels & Resorts bookings with the Amex Platinum Card
Last edited by mia; Mar 5, 2018 at 1:28 pm
Mar 3, 2018, 6:21 pm
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Mar 5, 2018, 11:32 am
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Reports of FHR charging a deposit at time of booking moved:
Which FHR properties require a deposit at time of booking?
Which FHR properties require a deposit at time of booking?
Mar 5, 2018, 1:21 pm
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To the OP: regardless of the Amex points earned, you should always charge all restaurant spend at MGM properties in Vegas to your room anyway, because:
- You can earn Hyatt points for your room bill at MGM properties, including for any restaurant charges or other incidentals charged to the room
- You also earn Mlife tier credits for your room bill and incidental spend, and if you pick up a couple of decent-sized restaurant bills it can even be enough to get you a lot of the way to the first couple of Mlife elite tiers -- which then themselves come with various room discount offers and other benefits, even if you don't gamble at all
Mar 9, 2018, 11:12 am
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To the OP: regardless of the Amex points earned, you should always charge all restaurant spend at MGM properties in Vegas to your room anyway, because:
- You can earn Hyatt points for your room bill at MGM properties, including for any restaurant charges or other incidentals charged to the room
- You also earn Mlife tier credits for your room bill and incidental spend, and if you pick up a couple of decent-sized restaurant bills it can even be enough to get you a lot of the way to the first couple of Mlife elite tiers -- which then themselves come with various room discount offers and other benefits, even if you don't gamble at all
I didn't know about point #1 but for #2 I've always carried my Mlife players card with me and had the waiter swipe it along with my card to get the points and managed to snag platinum level one year. (It's hard for me to snag gold now, though - not going enough!)
I'm still fuzzy if Amex treats charges to the room for NON room items (dining or shop purchases) as part of the room costs. (For Hyatt points it seems they do)
Mar 13, 2018, 6:58 am
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Mar 13, 2018, 7:49 am
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Membership Rewards-enrolled Card Members get at least 1 Membership Rewards® point for every eligible dollar spent on their Membership Rewards program-enrolled American Express® Card. Those same Card Members will also get at least 1 additional point for each dollar of eligible travel purchases made on amextravel.com on their Membership Rewards program-enrolled American Express Card. Eligible travel purchases include all travel purchases made with your Membership Rewards program-enrolled American Express® Card on amextravel.com, including air, prepaid hotels, vacation packages (flight + hotel packages) or cruise reservations, minus returns and other credits. Platinum and Business Platinum Card Members are only eligible for 1 additional point on cruise reservations. Eligible travel purchases do NOT include car reservations, non-prepaid hotels, ticketing service or other fees, or interest charges. Bonuses you may receive with your Card on other purchase categories or in connection with promotions or offers from American Express may not be combined with this offer, such as 5X bonuses for Platinum and Business Platinum Card Members. Any portion of a charge that you elect to cover through redemption of Membership Rewards points is not eligible to receive points. If you have an Amex EveryDay Card product, additional points awarded under this offer will not be included in the extra points benefit. Additional points will be credited to the Membership Rewards account 10-12 weeks after final payment is made.
Nov 1, 2018, 1:22 pm
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OMAAT is reporting that AMEX is updating FHR to offer 5x points! In order to get the 5x you'll need to pay upfront. However, you still have the cancellation flexibility unlike a traditional pre-paid rate.