I've already said I always fly in the day before a cruise. What I was saying was that while many people were beating him up about NOT doing that, I was just pointing out that his bags were lost for 4 days - if he had flown out a day earlier, they would have been lost for 3 (or maybe not, to be sure, but who of us has a crystal ball to say they would NOT have been lost the day before, but WERE lost the day of his cruise?).
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Originally Posted by Eujeanie
(Post 12205434)
I've already said I always fly in the day before a cruise. What I was saying was that while many people were beating him up about NOT doing that, I was just pointing out that his bags were lost for 4 days - if he had flown out a day earlier, they would have been lost for 3 (or maybe not, to be sure, but who of us has a crystal ball to say they would NOT have been lost the day before, but WERE lost the day of his cruise?).
NO. What people are saying is, if you fly in a day earlier, then you have give yourself enough time to handle CONTINGENCIES, including the unlucky event of missing luggages. He could have enough time to get some necessary clothings, his wife could get cosmetics etc etc, before they board the ship, and then could still enjoy their vacation - certainly would be less stressful than they had experienced. |
Originally Posted by Eujeanie
(Post 12205299)
I'm sorry, but most people are not going to do that. One would expect your bags to show up on time or at the worst the next day. Telling him he should have sent them directly to the ship is not helpful. What I find disturbing is that every time he asked the story was either they were on their way or had not been found at all.
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Originally Posted by Happy
(Post 12205478)
I dont think people who point out he should fly in a day earlier for the cruise, mean that if he flied in a day earlier, his bags would arrive on time.
NO. What people are saying is, if you fly in a day earlier, then you have give yourself enough time to handle CONTINGENCIES, including the unlucky event of missing luggages. He could have enough time to get some necessary clothings, his wife could get cosmetics etc etc, before they board the ship, and then could still enjoy their vacation - certainly would be less stressful than they had experienced. Lost Bag for my GF = cruise is ruined, especially if it is her shoes, hair products and make-up :D |
Flying in a day early definitely gives you time to deal with the "what ifs", no one is questioning that.
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Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 12202138)
Losing bags is no fun and I don't see a lot of people taking advantage of it to go on a shopping spree. Yup, the OP should have come in a day ahead of time, but the bottom line is that AA lost the bags. I think the OP spent a lot less than he reasonably could have. You'll note that I didn't say that AA should reimburse all purchases every time (although such a policy would virtually guarantee improvement in baggage delivery). I think the OP's expenditures were very reasonable.
Mike The policy means that the passenger could be heading to a cruise, to a convention hotel, or to his parent's house where he has a full closet of old clothes. When AA loses baggage, they have a specific response on finding it, prepaying for replacement, etc... Whether the passenger is at a location where clothes and toiletries are cheap or expensive doesn't change that reponse/obligation, any more than the average cost of hotels matter when it comes to giving hotel vouchers for overnight delays which are AA's fault. There's a lot of good advice on how to minimize risks in the future, but I don't think it's reasonable to claim greater compensation is due because the potential/actual expenses were higher since the passenger had a whole family's worth of clothes packed into 2 bags while embarking on a cruise ship. If the baggage had been evenly divided into 6 different bags which got checked, the passenger would likely have received more compensation. But since it's 2 bags checked in by 1 passenger, the compensation will be limited. |
Forget about luggage: if I ever take a cruise, I'm flying in the day before simply because of normal flight operations. A simple thunderstorm moving through DFW could have caused you to completely miss the cruise. Anyway, dead horse...I know...
That said, I think a $500 reimbursement for 6 people on a cruise when the bags were lost for 4 days is very reasonable. I don't think the OP abused the notion that he'd get reimbursed to spend excessively. If AA was professional, efficient, and accurate in their phone conservations with me, I'd probably settle for that an walk away. If they weren't, I gotta admit: I'd be a little testier. I don't begrudge the airline for losing the bag, but how quick, proactive, and solutions-oriented the client service is after the bags are lost is entirely within their control. In my experience, AA has been fair when they've lost my bags. It's happened three times over the years, and I've always done my necessary shopping at midscale type places. They've paid the receipts without question, but I don't recall breaking the $250 mark if that's some sort of magic number over which it becomes a "case". My situations were simpler: no cruise, got the bag the next day... |
Has anyone on this forum not had bags delayed or lost by the airline?
More likely delayed for a few days? Yet how many of you have had packages lost by fedex? Clearly AA could improve the service--they lose and delay an inordinate amount? If fedex ran their business like AA no one would use them. But with airlines there is no reasonable alternative. |
Originally Posted by vail
(Post 12208811)
Has anyone on this forum not had bags delayed or lost by the airline?
More likely delayed for a few days? Yet how many of you have had packages lost by fedex? Clearly AA could improve the service--they lose and delay an inordinate amount? If fedex ran their business like AA no one would use them. But with airlines there is no reasonable alternative. In our case, we've had problems with BA, but never with AA (although we don't check much). For getting into Europe on OW, we don't have a whole lot of choice, though. I don't have statistics on hand to know if AA or BA are any better or worse than anyone else, so I can't comment on that part. Maybe someone with real data will chime in. Cheers. |
Originally Posted by vail
(Post 12208811)
Has anyone on this forum not had bags delayed or lost by the airline?
More likely delayed for a few days? Yet how many of you have had packages lost by fedex? Clearly AA could improve the service--they lose and delay an inordinate amount? If fedex ran their business like AA no one would use them. But with airlines there is no reasonable alternative. Do you realize FedEx ships all packages to its Hub in Memphis first regardless where it originated and where it is supposedly to go? Then it sorts the packages at the Hub, and re-distribute them to regional depots. There are 8000 employees working at the Memphis super hub during the day and 4000 during the night. Would you think a passenger airliner can do that? Knock on wood for us, we have not had any loss luggage experiences despite we have checked our rollaboards 100% of time in past 24 months on 6 domestic trips, 2 European trips, 2 Australia/New Zealand trips and 2 Asia trips. Airlines involved: AA BA QF CX JL CO & UA. They all arrived with the same flight. The only difference we noticed, was at some airports the Priority tags were observed regardless the check-in time, at some airports the Priority tags mean nothing. Now I mention our luck, I may have just jinxed it! We could have carry them on the flights but we were lazy and preferred to just take the personal items with us. The one single time we had our luggage arrived late was on a Hawaii trip - UA failed to unload the bag to transfer to an Aloha flight - none was transferred to Aloha according to the guy at Aloha's desk at Maui. The UA desk said the bag was definitely on the UA flight ORD-HNL but since Aloha was our last carrier - it became Aloha's responsibility to check it down. The bag arrived in a later flight. |
Originally Posted by vail
(Post 12208811)
Has anyone on this forum not had bags delayed or lost by the airline?
More likely delayed for a few days? Yet how many of you have had packages lost by fedex? Clearly AA could improve the service--they lose and delay an inordinate amount? If fedex ran their business like AA no one would use them. But with airlines there is no reasonable alternative. I have had actually only had one problem with baggage and the bag arrived before I did. I flew SVO-LHR on BA, then LHR-JFK-SFO on AA. My bag was not at JFK when I cleared Immigration. AA claimed the baggage numbered match someone's else bag bound for another location. I got to SFO and went to the AA baggage person there. I even asked if BA might have sent it directly to SFO. He said no. Well, one call to BA quickly found the bag. The bag went directly from LHR-SFO, and was there before I was. The only other problem in my immediate family was on a family trip to GCM last year. My wife's bag missed the connection, and was delivered to our condo after arriving on a later flight. So, long story short, even package services have delays. Luggage delays are usually more quickly resolved than the OP's issue, often on the next plane, if it didn't arrive earlier. ;) |
Originally Posted by Plato90s
(Post 12208330)
But it's also true that AA should not be held responsible for the specific situation when they have a general policy for lost bags.
The policy means that the passenger could be heading to a cruise, to a convention hotel, or to his parent's house where he has a full closet of old clothes. When AA loses baggage, they have a specific response on finding it, prepaying for replacement, etc... Whether the passenger is at a location where clothes and toiletries are cheap or expensive doesn't change that reponse/obligation, any more than the average cost of hotels matter when it comes to giving hotel vouchers for overnight delays which are AA's fault. There's a lot of good advice on how to minimize risks in the future, but I don't think it's reasonable to claim greater compensation is due because the potential/actual expenses were higher since the passenger had a whole family's worth of clothes packed into 2 bags while embarking on a cruise ship. If the baggage had been evenly divided into 6 different bags which got checked, the passenger would likely have received more compensation. But since it's 2 bags checked in by 1 passenger, the compensation will be limited. Meanwhile, I'd be interested if the OP posts the eventual outcome. Mike |
Originally Posted by vail
(Post 12208811)
Has anyone on this forum not had bags delayed or lost by the airline?
More likely delayed for a few days? Yet how many of you have had packages lost by fedex? Clearly AA could improve the service--they lose and delay an inordinate amount? If fedex ran their business like AA no one would use them. But with airlines there is no reasonable alternative. |
Originally Posted by T/BE20/G
(Post 12214539)
And if AA priced checked baggage fees like FedEx prices shipping, there would be an uproar! People complain enough about paying the current rates... if AA spent the money to run their operation like FedEx, we'd never hear the end of it. For reference, overnight cross-country shipping of a 40 pound carry-on sized roll-aboard runs about $200, and that's not even same day, which airline baggage service (generally!) is.
Or else FedEx would do a roaring business doing airport shipping..... |
Wanted to give everybody an update on my situation as a future reference point.
I wrote 2 letters, first one to Central Baggage Service and included all the receipts from the actual expenses I incurred during cruise. The receipts added up to approx. $500 for which I received a full reimbursement. I wrote a second letter to Customer Relations about the harship we all experienced and within days they wrote back that they will credit 7500 miles to each family member for a total of 45000 miles. Good ending and I am satisfied with the outcome. The only thing I would have wanted different is if they credited all 45K in 1 AAdvantage account. 7500 miles spread across various accounts makes it harder to use them effectively. |
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