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● Award routing is subject to "MPM" of 25% - Maximum Permitted Miles, meaning you can only book an award routing that does not exceed available direct routing by 25%.
● The routing must also be a valid routing (published through fare) on the governing / longhaul carrier's routes.
● "Ticketed Point Deductions" on some routings may extend MPM.
● USA stopovers at port of entry or departure for awards have been eliminated (e.g. LHR-LAX <stop> ORD is no longer valid).
(lower right wiki corner)● Award routing is subject to "MPM" of 25% - Maximum Permitted Miles, meaning you can only book an award routing that does not exceed available direct routing by 25%.
● The routing must also be a valid routing (published through fare) on the governing / longhaul carrier's routes.
● "Ticketed Point Deductions" on some routings may extend MPM.
● USA stopovers at port of entry or departure for awards have been eliminated (e.g. LHR-LAX <stop> ORD is no longer valid).
MPM / Maximum Permitted Mileage & Ticketed Point Deductions (merged threads)
Aug 12, 2012, 2:11 pm
#47
Join Date: Feb 2011
Programs: AA LT GLD 1MM
Posts: 811
If it is close, you could add another leg on at no charge to increase the distance thereby increasing the 25% margin.
I.E.
SFO-JFK-HKG
MPM+25 for SFO-HKG is 10372
actual mileage is 10658
But if you do say SFO-JFK-HKG-DPS
your mpm+25 is 12902
and actual is 12794
so it would be allowed assuming it was a mileage based fare
I.E.
SFO-JFK-HKG
MPM+25 for SFO-HKG is 10372
actual mileage is 10658
But if you do say SFO-JFK-HKG-DPS
your mpm+25 is 12902
and actual is 12794
so it would be allowed assuming it was a mileage based fare
Last edited by AZbba; Aug 12, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Aug 12, 2012, 2:20 pm
#48
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVPG 75K
Posts: 2,574
If it is close, you could add another leg on at no charge to increase the distance thereby increasing the 25% margin.
I.E.
SFO-JFK-HKG
MPM+25 for SFO-HKG is 10372
actual mileage is 10658
But if you do say SFO-JFK-HKG-DPS
your mpm+25 is 12902
and actual is 12794
so it would be allowed
I.E.
SFO-JFK-HKG
MPM+25 for SFO-HKG is 10372
actual mileage is 10658
But if you do say SFO-JFK-HKG-DPS
your mpm+25 is 12902
and actual is 12794
so it would be allowed
Aug 12, 2012, 5:57 pm
#49
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Here, there … you know how it goes.
Posts: 1,518
):I can use my AA miles to fly LAX-JFK//JFK-HKG-xxx(BKK?)-CMB on a one-way AA award, flying CX, for 67.5k OW in F?
I am booking tonight/tomorrow if this is the case! Someone please confirm.
Also, I'm assuming I'd be LAX-JFK Flagship F?
Aug 12, 2012, 6:05 pm
#50
Join Date: Feb 2011
Programs: AA LT GLD 1MM
Posts: 811
So let me get this straight, as I was literally just thinking about this yesterday on our flight back from HNL (upgrade cleared! ):
I can use my AA miles to fly LAX-JFK//JFK-HKG-xxx(BKK?)-CMB on a one-way AA award, flying CX, for 67.5k OW in F?
I am booking tonight/tomorrow if this is the case! Someone please confirm.
Also, I'm assuming I'd be LAX-JFK Flagship F?
):I can use my AA miles to fly LAX-JFK//JFK-HKG-xxx(BKK?)-CMB on a one-way AA award, flying CX, for 67.5k OW in F?
I am booking tonight/tomorrow if this is the case! Someone please confirm.
Also, I'm assuming I'd be LAX-JFK Flagship F?
Yep, you can do that. You might not even need the onward segment from HKG if you don't want it. I'm not positive but I believe lax-jfk-hkg is an allowed routing.
If you live in LA, (or NY) you can also take advantage of the free stopovers.
I.E. I live in la, so I book my first trip lax-hkg-whatever-hkg-lax (stopover)-jfk.
Then my next trip I book. jfk-lax (stopover) -hkg-wherever-hkg-lax (stopover)-jfk.
and so on and so on.
And yes, you get the 3 class F with FL access.
Aug 12, 2012, 10:36 pm
#52
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Aug 12, 2012, 10:58 pm
#53
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Here, there … you know how it goes.
Posts: 1,518
So I can know for the future, is there a good site/resource where I can look up published fares -- for CX and for airlines in general?
Thanks!
Aug 12, 2012, 11:19 pm
#54
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVPG 75K
Posts: 2,574
You can certainly stop over in NYC, as it's your North American gateway. I am not aware of any free services that provide routing rules. ExpertFlyer and KVS Tool (the former has a free trial) are two pay services many FTers use.
Aug 12, 2012, 11:58 pm
#55
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: ORD
Programs: AA EXP,2MM, DL Gold,Starwood PLT
Posts: 3,876
As pointed out, it ultimately wont be up to the ticketing agent, so don't take that as a final word. They can book pretty much anything, but it doesn't mean it will actually ticket.
It all comes down to when they ticket and yes they are very strict.
It all comes down to when they ticket and yes they are very strict.
Aug 17, 2012, 7:51 pm
#56
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: LAX
Posts: 10,919
Did i get away with exceeding award mpm?
The other day I ticketed hnl-lax(stopover)-pvg-hkg and it went through OK and got ticketed and then even changed and reticketed once.
Today after trying to book smth similar but in the other direction I was rejected as it exceeded hkg-hnl mpm +25% by a wide margin.
Did I get away with it on my previous award and if so is there any risk of aa charging me more after the fact? (with several people on that pnr it may get expensive and I would have planned things differently)
Today after trying to book smth similar but in the other direction I was rejected as it exceeded hkg-hnl mpm +25% by a wide margin.
Did I get away with it on my previous award and if so is there any risk of aa charging me more after the fact? (with several people on that pnr it may get expensive and I would have planned things differently)
Aug 17, 2012, 8:09 pm
#57
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,731
AA is known to be lenient on the MPM if you are flying AA metal on the long-haul. Your previously HNL-LAX-PVG-HKG was likely allowed because the long-haul LAX-PVG is operated by AA.
You didn't say what the routing or carrier for your return portion is, but if it is operated by a non-AA carrier such as CX, you can expect the MPM restriction to be more strictly enforced.
You didn't say what the routing or carrier for your return portion is, but if it is operated by a non-AA carrier such as CX, you can expect the MPM restriction to be more strictly enforced.
Aug 17, 2012, 8:13 pm
#58
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SFO
Programs: AA EXP,AS MVPG,MR Platinum,HH Gold
Posts: 1,343
There are two caveats about MPM on AAdvantage awards:
(1) They allow MPM+25%.
(2) They allow you to fly any published route, even if it's not MPM-based, so if MPM between SFO and NRT is 6000mi, but AA publishes a fare that allows travel from SFO to NRT via MIA (10000mi) that would be bookable as an AAdvantage award.
As for charging you more, that would be a violation of the DoT rules pertaining to post-ticketing increases in fare. Once you have an eTicket number, even if it was a mistake, you're safe.
(1) They allow MPM+25%.
(2) They allow you to fly any published route, even if it's not MPM-based, so if MPM between SFO and NRT is 6000mi, but AA publishes a fare that allows travel from SFO to NRT via MIA (10000mi) that would be bookable as an AAdvantage award.
As for charging you more, that would be a violation of the DoT rules pertaining to post-ticketing increases in fare. Once you have an eTicket number, even if it was a mistake, you're safe.
Aug 17, 2012, 9:07 pm
#59
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: LAX
Posts: 10,919
Thanks - this is helpful!
Yep, the other disallowed ticket was with CX on transpac.
Published route by AA or overwater operating carrier (eg CX)?
AA is known to be lenient on the MPM if you are flying AA metal on the long-haul. Your previously HNL-LAX-PVG-HKG was likely allowed because the long-haul LAX-PVG is operated by AA.
You didn't say what the routing or carrier for your return portion is, but if it is operated by a non-AA carrier such as CX, you can expect the MPM restriction to be more strictly enforced.
You didn't say what the routing or carrier for your return portion is, but if it is operated by a non-AA carrier such as CX, you can expect the MPM restriction to be more strictly enforced.
There are two caveats about MPM on AAdvantage awards:
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(2) They allow you to fly any published route, even if it's not MPM-based, so if MPM between SFO and NRT is 6000mi, but AA publishes a fare that allows travel from SFO to NRT via MIA (10000mi) that would be bookable as an AAdvantage award.
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(2) They allow you to fly any published route, even if it's not MPM-based, so if MPM between SFO and NRT is 6000mi, but AA publishes a fare that allows travel from SFO to NRT via MIA (10000mi) that would be bookable as an AAdvantage award.
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Aug 17, 2012, 9:29 pm
#60
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