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● Award routing is subject to "MPM" of 25% - Maximum Permitted Miles, meaning you can only book an award routing that does not exceed available direct routing by 25%.
● The routing must also be a valid routing (published through fare) on the governing / longhaul carrier's routes.
● "Ticketed Point Deductions" on some routings may extend MPM.
● USA stopovers at port of entry or departure for awards have been eliminated (e.g. LHR-LAX <stop> ORD is no longer valid).
(lower right wiki corner)● Award routing is subject to "MPM" of 25% - Maximum Permitted Miles, meaning you can only book an award routing that does not exceed available direct routing by 25%.
● The routing must also be a valid routing (published through fare) on the governing / longhaul carrier's routes.
● "Ticketed Point Deductions" on some routings may extend MPM.
● USA stopovers at port of entry or departure for awards have been eliminated (e.g. LHR-LAX <stop> ORD is no longer valid).
MPM / Maximum Permitted Mileage & Ticketed Point Deductions (merged threads)
Oct 27, 2014, 9:03 am
#181
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If you have -- or can get -- some BA Avios, you should be able to get this routing for just 9,000 Avios: 4,500 per leg. And you can even stop over in Germany, if desired. Chase UR points, Amex MR points, and Starwood points can all be converted to BA Avios.
If you have -- or can get -- some BA Avios, you should be able to get this routing for just 9,000 Avios: 4,500 per leg. And you can even stop over in Germany, if desired. Chase UR points, Amex MR points, and Starwood points can all be converted to BA Avios.
Oct 27, 2014, 10:53 am
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Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry: BlackBerry8530/5.0.0.1030 Profile/MIDP-2.1 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/417)
If you have -- or can get -- some BA Avios, you should be able to get this routing for just 9,000 Avios: 4,500 per leg. And you can even stop over in Germany, if desired. Chase UR points, Amex MR points, and Starwood points can all be converted to BA Avios.
If you have -- or can get -- some BA Avios, you should be able to get this routing for just 9,000 Avios: 4,500 per leg. And you can even stop over in Germany, if desired. Chase UR points, Amex MR points, and Starwood points can all be converted to BA Avios.
Oct 27, 2014, 11:52 am
#183
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For VIE-VCE I'd just take the train. I've done that route several times when I lived in ViE. It's about a 7 hr. ride, about the same end-to-end time as flying via TXL or DUS, without the flying hassles. You can usually find 2nd class for around 30 EUR and 1st for under 100 EUR. Taxes and fees on that award ticket are ~$60 alone.
Nov 6, 2014, 5:18 pm
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Not sure if this thread is only supposed to be about MPM or routing in general, but here goes:
The transfers section of a fare rule isn't one I usually pay attention to, as I try to avoid connections as much as possible. However, I'm trying to understand these rules, with what I believe are the relevant highlighted sections below:
I'm having a hard time reconciling the statement that only one transfer is allowed at the beginning with the fact that 2 are allowed further down. Does this mean that ORD-XXX-MAD-YYY would be a valid routing under these rules, where XXX is a NA gateway with an IB flight to MAD and YYY is a city served by IB?
The transfers section of a fare rule isn't one I usually pay attention to, as I try to avoid connections as much as possible. However, I'm trying to understand these rules, with what I believe are the relevant highlighted sections below:
Code:
1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
1 PERMITTED IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
1 PERMITTED VIA AA ONLY IN EUROPE IN EACH
DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND BA IN EUROPE IN
EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND IB IN EUROPE IN
EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED VIA BA ONLY IN EUROPE IN EACH
DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN BA AND IB IN EUROPE IN
EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED VIA IB ONLY IN EUROPE IN EACH
DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND AY IN EUROPE IN
EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED VIA AY ONLY IN EUROPE IN EACH
DIRECTION.
AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA/BA/IB/US AND AS IN
LAX/PDX/SEA IN EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA/BA/IB/US AND HA IN
HAWAII IN EACH DIRECTION
2 PERMITTED VIA AA/AY/BA/IB/US ONLY IN
NORTH AMERICA IN EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA/BA AND WS IN CANADA
IN EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA/BA/IB/US AND AM IN
MEXICO IN EACH DIRECTION.
May 8, 2024, 4:41 pm
#185
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MPM / Asia 2
Hello,
Struggling with the right terminology to discuss with AA.
Looking for an award flight from BKK to ORD and the only routing is via AMM. I see that there is no rule barring transiting via mid east
As for MPM, gcmap shows BKK/ORD at 8561, and BKK/AMM/ORD at 4255 + 6236=10491. Which is less than 10701.
When booked 1st agent had some trouble 2nd figured it out but said rate desk keeps pricing as 2 awards as follows. Miles redeemedRecipientDescription05-07-202440,000 U40PTI AP BUS M EAST - ASIA Z205-07-202470,000 U70PUT - AP BUS 48US/CA T/F M EAST
Any ideas?
Struggling with the right terminology to discuss with AA.
Looking for an award flight from BKK to ORD and the only routing is via AMM. I see that there is no rule barring transiting via mid east
As for MPM, gcmap shows BKK/ORD at 8561, and BKK/AMM/ORD at 4255 + 6236=10491. Which is less than 10701.
When booked 1st agent had some trouble 2nd figured it out but said rate desk keeps pricing as 2 awards as follows. Miles redeemedRecipientDescription05-07-202440,000 U40PTI AP BUS M EAST - ASIA Z205-07-202470,000 U70PUT - AP BUS 48US/CA T/F M EAST
Any ideas?
May 8, 2024, 4:49 pm
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Struggling with the right terminology to discuss with AA.
Looking for an award flight from BKK to ORD and the only routing is via AMM. I see that there is no rule barring transiting via mid east
As for MPM, gcmap shows BKK/ORD at 8561, and BKK/AMM/ORD at 4255 + 6236=10491. Which is less than 10701.
When booked 1st agent had some trouble 2nd figured it out but said rate desk keeps pricing as 2 awards as follows. Miles redeemedRecipientDescription05-07-202440,000 U40PTI AP BUS M EAST - ASIA Z205-07-202470,000 U70PUT - AP BUS 48US/CA T/F M EAST
Looking for an award flight from BKK to ORD and the only routing is via AMM. I see that there is no rule barring transiting via mid east
As for MPM, gcmap shows BKK/ORD at 8561, and BKK/AMM/ORD at 4255 + 6236=10491. Which is less than 10701.
When booked 1st agent had some trouble 2nd figured it out but said rate desk keeps pricing as 2 awards as follows. Miles redeemedRecipientDescription05-07-202440,000 U40PTI AP BUS M EAST - ASIA Z205-07-202470,000 U70PUT - AP BUS 48US/CA T/F M EAST
In order to be priced as a single award, you must fly via the pacific, a connection in Asia 1 or Asia 2 is ok.
May 8, 2024, 11:51 pm
#187
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Thank you that makes more sense. Do DOH & AUH have special carve-outs? I've routed for 70k miles via both to Asia 1 or India sub areas from the US