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Speculation on AA Route Cuts
With Norse and Edelweiss announcing cuts to the U.S. due to the cost of fuel, it is not hard to imagine U.S. carriers following suit on some of their overseas routes. Which overseas routes do you think are likely to get the axe on AA if we get to that point? My top guesses are DFW-BNE (insane amount of capacity from DFW-South Pacific) and one of the recently added Athens flights (probably JFK; the season is much shorter this year).
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Dfw-BNE is seasonal and ended a few weeks ago. I guess they’ll have to see what things look like later in the year when it would resume. We aren’t privy to any individual route profitability numbers, but they did announce a preliminary Q1 guidance a few weeks ago highlighting 10% year over year revenue increase in Q1 with heavy premium demand. If some of that came on a route like BNE, then it could bode well. The official Q1 numbers come next week.
as for others scheduled the coming peak European season, I guess they’d look at routes with weak bookings where they can funnel them to another flight. |
Originally Posted by PHL
(Post 37707709)
Dfw-BNE is seasonal and ended a few weeks ago. I guess they’ll have to see what things look like later in the year when it would resume. We aren’t privy to any individual route profitability numbers, but they did announce a preliminary Q1 guidance a few weeks ago highlighting 10% year over year revenue increase in Q1 with heavy premium demand. If some of that came on a route like BNE, then it could bode well. The official Q1 numbers come next week.
as for others scheduled the coming peak European season, I guess they’d look at routes with weak bookings where they can funnel them to another flight. |
Well to AA’s advantage there is not much international exposure lol. And LHR and TYO are as short as you can generally get across the Atlantic and Pacific
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Originally Posted by lrdpenn
(Post 37708115)
Well to AA’s advantage there is not much international exposure lol. And LHR and TYO are as short as you can generally get across the Atlantic and Pacific
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AA long-haul flying is more limited by capacity than by fuel costs. Its stinginess with the orderbook in the 2010s left it unable to replace the 763s, 757 lie flats, and A332s it parked in COVID, to say the least of serve new demand. It doesn’t have the JFK slots or airside LGA-JFK shuttle that would enable it to service high-margin ex-NYC destinations that have no OneWorld partner - Seoul, Beijing, Frankfurt, Amsterdam. Zurich.
Originally Posted by rudyjb
(Post 37707500)
With Norse and Edelweiss announcing cuts to the U.S. due to the cost of fuel, it is not hard to imagine U.S. carriers following suit on some of their overseas routes. Which overseas routes do you think are likely to get the axe on AA if we get to that point? My top guesses are DFW-BNE (insane amount of capacity from DFW-South Pacific) and one of the recently added Athens flights (probably JFK; the season is much shorter this year).
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Originally Posted by only1percent
(Post 37708798)
AA long-haul flying is more limited by capacity than by fuel costs. Its stinginess with the orderbook in the 2010s left it unable to replace the 763s, 757 lie flats, and A332s it parked in COVID, to say the least of serve new demand. It doesn’t have the JFK slots or airside LGA-JFK shuttle that would enable it to service high-margin ex-NYC destinations that have no OneWorld partner - Seoul, Beijing, Frankfurt, Amsterdam. Zurich.
Not to derail this thread, but JFK-FRA/AMS/ZRH could be great XLR routes. AA doesn't even serve Beijing on their own metal. They'll probably re-add it from DFW or LAX. ICN will probably see a 2nd DFW flight or LAX well before it gets JFK service. |
Folks, oil is already on its way back down. It's not going to be $100 six months from now. I cannot understand why all of y'all are such short-sighted. In 2008, oil was much higher and for a much longer period of time. We are 6 weeks into this and things are already calming down. Patience everyone. Not everything has to be so dramatic and act like it's the end of the world. Relax.
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Originally Posted by AAPilot48Heavy
(Post 37709379)
Folks, oil is already on its way back down. It's not going to be $100 six months from now. I cannot understand why all of y'all are such short-sighted. In 2008, oil was much higher and for a much longer period of time. We are 6 weeks into this and things are already calming down. Patience everyone. Not everything has to be so dramatic and act like it's the end of the world. Relax.
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Originally Posted by BigBopper
(Post 37709471)
There's a big difference between now and 2008. Social media,.podcasts and less trust in the traditional media. They have to be dramatic and hyperbolic to generate attention. It translates to the general public.
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Do the airlines have any protection in place against short-term spikes in fuel costs? According to the information I have seen online, the major US carriers all stopped their fuel hedging programs. Do they have any protections in place vis-a-vis their fuel suppliers?
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I was surprised at how empty my recent ORD to LHR flight was on AA. There is only so high airfaires can go before people cut back on travel and airlines like American cut routes.
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I hope AA doesnt plan to cut capacity to EZE.......
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Originally Posted by AAPilot48Heavy
(Post 37709379)
Folks, oil is already on its way back down. It's not going to be $100 six months from now. I cannot understand why all of y'all are such short-sighted. In 2008, oil was much higher and for a much longer period of time. We are 6 weeks into this and things are already calming down. Patience everyone. Not everything has to be so dramatic and act like it's the end of the world. Relax.
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Originally Posted by AAPilot48Heavy
(Post 37709379)
Folks, oil is already on its way back down. It's not going to be $100 six months from now. I cannot understand why all of y'all are such short-sighted. In 2008, oil was much higher and for a much longer period of time. We are 6 weeks into this and things are already calming down. Patience everyone. Not everything has to be so dramatic and act like it's the end of the world. Relax.
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