Fare repricing on I fare ticket?
Dec 27, 2023, 11:57 pm
#1
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Fare repricing on I fare ticket?
Hi
Hoping for advice from AA experts here as it's the first time I've had to make a change to an AA tix.
I jumped on a discounted I fare business class tix (MAD-SEA, YVR-FCO - on BA metal via LHR, but AA codeshare) earlier this year. I flew the MAD-SEA segment July 2023 and had booked the YVR-FCO flight for January 2024 but now need to change the YVR-FCO segment to July 2024.
When I called AA for the change today, the first agent told me there were no "I" fares available in July for my family of 5 and after speaking to ticketing, told me that booking me on the next fare class for my requested date in July would cost me more than $3K for the fare difference per person. He also told me that as long as I could find "I" fare availability (eg. if I was willing to split my family up on different travel dates), the only price difference I would pay would be ancillary fees like airport taxes (e.g if I routed through a different airport).
I used Expertflyer and found a couple of other options in July that had "I" fare availability but when I called AA again, the second agent told me that I would have to pay an additional $2K+ per person even though those were in "I" class. She said that it is because the new date is in July which is peak summer season. I asked if the historical fare was used because that's in the fare rules, and she said yes.
Both agents were friendly and seemed helpful, but I'm not sure who is correct. It also doesn't give me much comfort when the agent tells me that these fare differences are being calculated manually by their ticketing colleagues as that makes me think there's more room for error and interpretation.
I understand that July tends to be a busy period for Europe but the fare difference seems quite significant here (I paid under 2K per person for the original ticket). Is it possible that changing dates can result in such a large fare increase even when there's "I" class availability on the new dates? If it makes any difference, my fare basis according to my ticket is INX9C1S4 and INN1C5S4.
Any advice on the above would be much appreciated!!
Hoping for advice from AA experts here as it's the first time I've had to make a change to an AA tix.
I jumped on a discounted I fare business class tix (MAD-SEA, YVR-FCO - on BA metal via LHR, but AA codeshare) earlier this year. I flew the MAD-SEA segment July 2023 and had booked the YVR-FCO flight for January 2024 but now need to change the YVR-FCO segment to July 2024.
When I called AA for the change today, the first agent told me there were no "I" fares available in July for my family of 5 and after speaking to ticketing, told me that booking me on the next fare class for my requested date in July would cost me more than $3K for the fare difference per person. He also told me that as long as I could find "I" fare availability (eg. if I was willing to split my family up on different travel dates), the only price difference I would pay would be ancillary fees like airport taxes (e.g if I routed through a different airport).
I used Expertflyer and found a couple of other options in July that had "I" fare availability but when I called AA again, the second agent told me that I would have to pay an additional $2K+ per person even though those were in "I" class. She said that it is because the new date is in July which is peak summer season. I asked if the historical fare was used because that's in the fare rules, and she said yes.
Both agents were friendly and seemed helpful, but I'm not sure who is correct. It also doesn't give me much comfort when the agent tells me that these fare differences are being calculated manually by their ticketing colleagues as that makes me think there's more room for error and interpretation.
I understand that July tends to be a busy period for Europe but the fare difference seems quite significant here (I paid under 2K per person for the original ticket). Is it possible that changing dates can result in such a large fare increase even when there's "I" class availability on the new dates? If it makes any difference, my fare basis according to my ticket is INX9C1S4 and INN1C5S4.
Any advice on the above would be much appreciated!!
Dec 28, 2023, 1:03 am
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Is it possible that because I have two fare basis codes INX9C1S4 (for MAD-SEA) and INN1C5S4 (YVR-FCO), that is complicating the fare repricing process for the ticketing agents?
Dec 28, 2023, 2:54 am
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How much were the taxes and carrier surcharges and how much extra is the new cost. I think that AA and BA may have increased their carrier surcharges since the purchase date
Outside of that, I would ask for details of the difference
Outside of that, I would ask for details of the difference
Dec 28, 2023, 5:36 am
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Roll It
Some advice after having experienced something similar … (not ideal)
Do you come to North America often? If so, you could “roll” your flight credit forward. Here’s how …
Ask to cancel the reservation and receive a flight credit. Find a discounted biz fare from North America to Europe round trip, originating in North America and apply the flight credit there. The round trip fare might end up being slightly more expensive, but then you can schedule the return leg for further out in the future and roll the value of the credit again if you don’t want to take it. You also avoid change fees by doing this.
The reason you would want to do this is that it seems the agents are pricing you out a new one-way fare, rather than the discounted round-trip fare which is often less or close to the same price on TATL itineraries.
Do you come to North America often? If so, you could “roll” your flight credit forward. Here’s how …
Ask to cancel the reservation and receive a flight credit. Find a discounted biz fare from North America to Europe round trip, originating in North America and apply the flight credit there. The round trip fare might end up being slightly more expensive, but then you can schedule the return leg for further out in the future and roll the value of the credit again if you don’t want to take it. You also avoid change fees by doing this.
The reason you would want to do this is that it seems the agents are pricing you out a new one-way fare, rather than the discounted round-trip fare which is often less or close to the same price on TATL itineraries.
Dec 28, 2023, 2:01 pm
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My guess is the second agent isn't familiar with the after-departure conditions and is mistaken. I'd suggest OP tries again, and has them confirm with the fares department if they suggest a fare difference - hopefully they're corrected and the difference it minimal.
Dec 28, 2023, 2:15 pm
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They shouldn't be, it should be using the historical pricing on the back half of the original return as long as it's within ticket validity.
My guess is the second agent isn't familiar with the after-departure conditions and is mistaken. I'd suggest OP tries again, and has them confirm with the fares department if they suggest a fare difference - hopefully they're corrected and the difference it minimal.
My guess is the second agent isn't familiar with the after-departure conditions and is mistaken. I'd suggest OP tries again, and has them confirm with the fares department if they suggest a fare difference - hopefully they're corrected and the difference it minimal.
Agree that OP should try again and see. The fact that they have two disparate prices tells me that all is not kosher with the replies they got.
Dec 28, 2023, 2:43 pm
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They shouldn't be, it should be using the historical pricing on the back half of the original return as long as it's within ticket validity.
My guess is the second agent isn't familiar with the after-departure conditions and is mistaken. I'd suggest OP tries again, and has them confirm with the fares department if they suggest a fare difference - hopefully they're corrected and the difference it minimal.
My guess is the second agent isn't familiar with the after-departure conditions and is mistaken. I'd suggest OP tries again, and has them confirm with the fares department if they suggest a fare difference - hopefully they're corrected and the difference it minimal.
Dec 28, 2023, 3:06 pm
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I’ve had things like this happen before where the fare basis I am trying to rebook, actually was filed with a “travel complete by” date, and that specific fair basis couldn't be used. But that doesn’t mean they need to jump immediately to only.fares that exist today, I believe they’re able to look at other historical fare bases that would have been ticketable on the date your ticket was issued. I was able to point to a family of fares that were available at the date of ticketing and take advantage of one that was slightly more expensive that did not have a “travel by” restriction.
Dec 29, 2023, 2:02 am
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If OP is switching from a non-peak to peak time, the fare could definitely increase significantly, even using historical prices.
Agree that OP should try again and see. The fact that they have two disparate prices tells me that all is not kosher with the replies they got.
Agree that OP should try again and see. The fact that they have two disparate prices tells me that all is not kosher with the replies they got.
Dec 29, 2023, 3:05 am
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Both fares are actually still available for purchase. They have lengthy 120 day APs and the return fare has a 10 day min stay requirement (so you have to search out pretty far to bring them up and make sure your stay is at least 10 days). Outbound fare also has day of week travel restrictions (MON/TUE/WED/SUN) and a 200 EUR change fee. Carrier-imposed surcharges for ex-EU fares are currently 550 EUR each-way on biz fares.
Not currently seeing any availability in I with LHR routing on BA with AA coding on flights in July. Having availability in I with BA codings is not sufficient since these are AA fares and they must have availability with AA flight codings. You also need to be looking at bucket availability from Spain point-of-sale since bucket availability on same flights can vary based on point-of-sale.
Seeing some availability in I with DFW routing in July, but nothing with I5 or higher so DFW routing will not work. It's looks like there are quite few dates available with CLT routing in July that are I5 or higher. Google Flights/ITA doesn't show CLT routing options by default (probably due to long layover -- had to force CLT routing in ITA with advanced controls).
Last edited by xliioper; Dec 29, 2023 at 5:39 am
Dec 29, 2023, 12:05 pm
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The fare rules for the INN1C5S4 are below.
There doesn't seem to be any restriction that would impact travelling in July - there are no seasonal issues
I think that there may be carrier surcharge changes between purchase date and now. What was the base fare paid and taxes/charges ?
Is there enough availability oin I class for all 5 people when searrching for YVR-FCO using only AA flight numbers? Dont just check sector by sector.
From what I can see on EF, there are 2 seats available on 29 July, 1 on 12th July and no availbility any other day in July
If you change your routing - e.g. YVR-ORD-LHR-FCO on 6/7/24, there is more availabilry
There doesn't seem to be any restriction that would impact travelling in July - there are no seasonal issues
I think that there may be carrier surcharge changes between purchase date and now. What was the base fare paid and taxes/charges ?
Is there enough availability oin I class for all 5 people when searrching for YVR-FCO using only AA flight numbers? Dont just check sector by sector.
From what I can see on EF, there are 2 seats available on 29 July, 1 on 12th July and no availbility any other day in July
If you change your routing - e.g. YVR-ORD-LHR-FCO on 6/7/24, there is more availabilry
Code:
Rules Search: Departing FCO on 15/07/23 for YVR
Fare basis code INN1C5S4
Flying AA
Routing via North Atlantic
Rule Category Rule Text RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
FIRST AND BUSINESS CLASS TRANSATLANTIC FARES
APPLICATION
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
THE TICKET IS INVALID IF FLIGHT COUPONS ARE NOT
USED IN SEQUENCE.
FARE DOES NOT APPLY FOR REFUND CALCULATION AFTER
TRAVEL AT A HIGHER FARE
PASSENGER EXPENCES NOT ABSORBED BY CARRIER.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN
FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST
JUDGEMENT.
LEVEL- ARE NOT SUBJECT TO CAPACITY CONTROL. ELIGIBILITY NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. DAY/TIME NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. SEASONALITY NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. FLIGHT APPLICATION IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 1
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS
ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 2
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN ITALY
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AZ FLIGHT OPERATED BY AZ
ANY AZ FLIGHT OPERATED BY CT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN ITALY AND
EUROPE
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED
STATES AND MEXICO
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED
STATES AND CANADA
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN UNITED
STATES
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY 9K
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN EUROPE
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB
ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY
ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB
ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY I2
ANY VY FLIGHT OPERATED BY VY
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY VY.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED
STATES AND MEXICO
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED
STATES AND CANADA
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN UNITED
STATES
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB. ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT
LEAST 120 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
DUE TO TTL ROBOT PROCESS DIFFERENCES MAY EXIST
BETWEEN THE CRS LAST TICKETING DATE AND TTL ROBOT
REMARK.
THE INFORMATION BY SSR IN THE PNR PREVAILS. MINIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE
NO EARLIER THAN 10 DAYS AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE
TURNAROUND.
AND - TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER
THAN 24 HOURS AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE TURNAROUND. MAXIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
MIDNIGHT 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN. STOPOVERS UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE OUTBOUND AND ON
THE INBOUND FARE COMPONENTS AT EUR 150.00 EACH IN
EUROPE
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
AND - UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE OUTBOUND AND
ON THE INBOUND FARE COMPONENTS AT EUR 600.00 EACH
IN UNITED STATES/CANADA/MEXICO
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. TRANSFERS 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND VY IN BCN/ROM IN
EACH DIRECTION
NONE PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND VY IN EACH
DIRECTION
2 PERMITTED VIA AA/AY/BA/IB ONLY IN EUROPE
IN EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND ANY OTHER
CARRIER IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION
ANY COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING -
1 INTERLINE INCLUDING AA
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND HA IN HNL IN
EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND 9K IN STL IN
EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND AS IN LAX/SEA/
SFO IN EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND B6 IN BOS/EWR/
JFK/LGA IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION
ANY COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING -
2 ONLINE ON AA
2 PERMITTED VIA AA ONLY IN NORTH AMERICA IN
EACH DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT. COMBINATIONS
END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH
NO RESTRICTIONS.
OPEN JAWS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/
LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE
COMPONENT.
PROVIDED -
WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS
-WITHIN NORTH AMERICA OR WITHIN EUROPE
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AA/BA/
IB/AY IN RULE 7097/7098/7099/7100/8005 IN TARIFF
ATMAAR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF
IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2
VIA ATL
IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/
MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON -
AREA 3.
ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD
FARES
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AA/BA/
IB/AY IN RULE 7097/7098/7099/7100/8005 IN TARIFF
ATMAAR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF
IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2
VIA ATL
IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/
MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON -
AREA 3.
OPEN JAWS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/
LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE
COMPONENT.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AA IN
RULE 7097/7098/7099/7100/8005 IN TARIFF
ATMAAR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF
IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2
VIA ATL
IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/
MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON -
AREA 3.
NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME
POINT -
BUR-LAX BUR-LGB BUR-ONT BUR-SNA BWI-WAS
EWR-NYC FLL-MIA LAX-LGB LAX-ONT LAX-SNA
LGB-ONT LGB-SNA OAK-SFO OAK-SJC ONT-SNA
ORF-PHF SFO-SJC BLACKOUT DATES NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY. SURCHARGES IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2.
OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT PSGR UNDER 2.
OR - MILITARY INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 2.
OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2.
THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE PER ANY
PASSENGER.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
SURCHARGES DO NOT APPLY TO INFANT PASSENGERS
NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT.
THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR AY.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR BA.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR IB.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR JL.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR QF.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR QR.
THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE PER ANY
PASSENGER.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
YR FEE MAY APPLY
OTHERWISE - ORIGINATING CANADA -
MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF CAD 755.00 PER FARE
COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER
ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF TRANSATLANTIC
SECTORS.
AND - ORIGINATING ITALY -
MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF EUR 250.00 PER
FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE
FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF
TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS. ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED. TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY. SALES RESTRICTIONS IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN HAWAII
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA
ANY HA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA.
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NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/RUSSIA/BELARUS. AND MAY
ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3.
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MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/RUSSIA/BELARUS. AND MAY
ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3.
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING.
EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR IB
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/RUSSIA/BELARUS.
AND MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3.
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING.
EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED.
OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR AY
AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/RUSSIA/BELARUS.
AND MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3.
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING.
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ANY TIME
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REFUND.
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OR A TRAVELING COMPANION/THE SERVICE CHARGE MAY
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CARIBBEAN / CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA - AA WILL
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RESERVATION NOT CANCELLED BEFORE DEPARTURE.
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THE HIGHEST CANCELLATION FEE OF EACH CANCELLED
PRICING UNIT APPLIES
-WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION-
WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A NON-
REFUNDABLE FARE
THE ENTIRE PRICING UNIT WILL BE NON-REFUNDABLE.
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CANCELLED PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME.
CHANGES
ANY TIME
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NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
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TYPES.
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MODIFICATION.
CHANGE IS PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY OF
ORIGINAL TICKET.
THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS
NON-REFUNDABLE.
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WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE AND
ONLY ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE PENALTY
CONDITIONS OF THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WILL
APPLY.
WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS BEING CHANGED
THE HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
WILL APPLY.
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IN CASE OF UPGRADE TO A HIGHER FARE OR IF THE
ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE
WILL BE COLLECTED -AND- THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE
APPLIED.
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// NON-REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A CHANGE FEE //
WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE
CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED -AND- NO REFUND WILL
BE MADE HOWEVER THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE WILL BE
RETURNED TO THE PASSENGER IN THE FORM OF A
NON-REFUNDABLE TRAVEL VOUCHER WHICH MAY BE
APPLIED TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF A TICKET VALID FOR
TRANSPORTATION GOVERNED BY AA ONLY. REFUNDABLE
TRAVEL VOUCHER WHICH MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS
THE PURCHASE OF A TICKET VALID FOR
TRANSPORTATION GOVERNED BY AA ONLY.
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// REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A CHANGE FEE //
WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE
CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED -AND- THE RESIDUAL
AMOUNT WILL BE REFUNDED TO ORIGINAL FORM OF
PAYMENT.
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REISSUE/REVALIDATION MUST BE MADE AT THE SAME TIME
THE RESERVATION IS CHANGED.
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IN CASE OF NO-SHOW - REFUND/CHANGE IS NOT
PERMITTED.
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CALCULATION FOR REISSUES
//CHANGES BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE//
WHEN THE FIRST FLIGHT COUPON IS CHANGED THE
ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN
EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED.
-----
WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FLIGHT
COUPON BUT OTHER FLIGHT COUPONS ARE CHANGED
THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL
FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR
CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF TICKET
REISSUE WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
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//CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE//
THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL
FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
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THE NEW ITINERARY MUST MEET ALL RULE PROVISIONS
OF THE NEWLY TICKETED FARE - I.E. ADVANCE
RESERVATIONS/TICKETING DEADLINE/MINIMUM/MAXIMUM
STAY/BOOKING CLASS/SEASONALITY ETC. HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR
CONNECTIONS.
AND - THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY
FOR STOPOVERS. TICKET ENDORSEMENTS THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED
- NONREFUNDABLE - AND - RESTRICTIONS APPLY - IN THE
ENDORSEMENT BOX. CHILDREN DISCOUNTS CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF
THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR.
OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14 - CHARGE 100
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 5 6 AND 7 YEARS OF AGE WILL
ONLY BE TRANSPORTED OVER THE LINES OF AA NON-STOP
OR THROUGH PLANE SERVICE. TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
AT THIS TIME...CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
THIS RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR TRAVEL ON OTHER
AIRLINE OPERATED CODE SHARE FLIGHTS. AGENT DISCOUNTS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
AT THIS TIME. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
THIS RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR TRAVEL ON OTHER
AIRLINE OPERATED CODE SHARE FLIGHTS. ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS OTS/PASSENGERS OCCUPYING TWO SEATS . ID REQUIRED -
CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - SEAT.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
APPLICATION---
FARES APPLY TO A PASSENGER PERMITTED THE
EXCLUSIVE USE OF TWO ADJACENT SEATS.
SRC/SENIOR CITIZEN PSGR 65 OR OLDER. ID REQUIRED
- NO DISCOUNT.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
RULE 1810 - SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS NO PROVISIONS APPLY. FARE BY RULE NOT APPLICABLE. GROUPS NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY. TOURS NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY. VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY. DEPOSITS NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY. VOLUNTARY CHANGES IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
BY THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES
NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT W/O SEAT DISCOUNTS
APPLY AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON
2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
MUST BE DOMESTIC
3. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
FARE COMPONENT
4. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED
5. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
OR -
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
MUST BE DOMESTIC
2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
FARE COMPONENT
3. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED
4. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL
FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND
ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
OR -
AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
BY THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES
NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED
FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT W/O SEAT DISCOUNTS APPLY AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
MUST BE DOMESTIC
2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
FARE COMPONENT
3. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED
4. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL
FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND - REFUND VIA
VOUCHER
ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
. VOLUNTARY REFUNDS CHECK CATEGORY 16 OR CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS. NEGOTIATED FARES NOT APPLICABLE. INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
Dec 29, 2023, 8:16 pm
#14
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The fare rules for the INN1C5S4 are below.
There doesn't seem to be any restriction that would impact travelling in July - there are no seasonal issues
I think that there may be carrier surcharge changes between purchase date and now. What was the base fare paid and taxes/charges ?
Is there enough availability oin I class for all 5 people when searrching for YVR-FCO using only AA flight numbers? Dont just check sector by sector.
From what I can see on EF, there are 2 seats available on 29 July, 1 on 12th July and no availbility any other day in July
If you change your routing - e.g. YVR-ORD-LHR-FCO on 6/7/24, there is more availabilry
There doesn't seem to be any restriction that would impact travelling in July - there are no seasonal issues
I think that there may be carrier surcharge changes between purchase date and now. What was the base fare paid and taxes/charges ?
Is there enough availability oin I class for all 5 people when searrching for YVR-FCO using only AA flight numbers? Dont just check sector by sector.
From what I can see on EF, there are 2 seats available on 29 July, 1 on 12th July and no availbility any other day in July
If you change your routing - e.g. YVR-ORD-LHR-FCO on 6/7/24, there is more availabilry
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Rules Search: Departing FCO on 15/07/23 for YVR Fare basis code INN1C5S4 Flying AA Routing via North Atlantic Rule Category Rule Text RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. FIRST AND BUSINESS CLASS TRANSATLANTIC FARES APPLICATION CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. THE TICKET IS INVALID IF FLIGHT COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN SEQUENCE. FARE DOES NOT APPLY FOR REFUND CALCULATION AFTER TRAVEL AT A HIGHER FARE PASSENGER EXPENCES NOT ABSORBED BY CARRIER. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST JUDGEMENT. LEVEL- ARE NOT SUBJECT TO CAPACITY CONTROL. ELIGIBILITY NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. DAY/TIME NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. SEASONALITY NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. FLIGHT APPLICATION IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 1 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 2 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB. IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN ITALY THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AZ FLIGHT OPERATED BY AZ ANY AZ FLIGHT OPERATED BY CT. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN ITALY AND EUROPE THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND MEXICO THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND CANADA THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN UNITED STATES THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY 9K ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN EUROPE THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY I2 ANY VY FLIGHT OPERATED BY VY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY VY. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND MEXICO THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND CANADA THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN UNITED STATES THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB. ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 120 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. DUE TO TTL ROBOT PROCESS DIFFERENCES MAY EXIST BETWEEN THE CRS LAST TICKETING DATE AND TTL ROBOT REMARK. THE INFORMATION BY SSR IN THE PNR PREVAILS. MINIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 10 DAYS AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE TURNAROUND. AND - TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 24 HOURS AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE TURNAROUND. MAXIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN MIDNIGHT 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN. STOPOVERS UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE OUTBOUND AND ON THE INBOUND FARE COMPONENTS AT EUR 150.00 EACH IN EUROPE CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. AND - UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE OUTBOUND AND ON THE INBOUND FARE COMPONENTS AT EUR 600.00 EACH IN UNITED STATES/CANADA/MEXICO CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. TRANSFERS 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION. 1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND VY IN BCN/ROM IN EACH DIRECTION NONE PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND VY IN EACH DIRECTION 2 PERMITTED VIA AA/AY/BA/IB ONLY IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION 1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND ANY OTHER CARRIER IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION. AND - 1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION ANY COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING - 1 INTERLINE INCLUDING AA 1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND HA IN HNL IN EACH DIRECTION 1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND 9K IN STL IN EACH DIRECTION 1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND AS IN LAX/SEA/ SFO IN EACH DIRECTION 1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND B6 IN BOS/EWR/ JFK/LGA IN EACH DIRECTION. AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION ANY COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING - 2 ONLINE ON AA 2 PERMITTED VIA AA ONLY IN NORTH AMERICA IN EACH DIRECTION. FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT. COMBINATIONS END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/ LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT. PROVIDED - WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS -WITHIN NORTH AMERICA OR WITHIN EUROPE COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AA/BA/ IB/AY IN RULE 7097/7098/7099/7100/8005 IN TARIFF ATMAAR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA ATL IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/ MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON - AREA 3. ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AA/BA/ IB/AY IN RULE 7097/7098/7099/7100/8005 IN TARIFF ATMAAR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA ATL IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/ MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON - AREA 3. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/ LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AA IN RULE 7097/7098/7099/7100/8005 IN TARIFF ATMAAR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA ATL IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/ MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON - AREA 3. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT - BUR-LAX BUR-LGB BUR-ONT BUR-SNA BWI-WAS EWR-NYC FLL-MIA LAX-LGB LAX-ONT LAX-SNA LGB-ONT LGB-SNA OAK-SFO OAK-SJC ONT-SNA ORF-PHF SFO-SJC BLACKOUT DATES NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY. SURCHARGES IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT PSGR UNDER 2. OR - MILITARY INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 2. OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE PER ANY PASSENGER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SURCHARGES DO NOT APPLY TO INFANT PASSENGERS NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR AY. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR BA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR IB. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR JL. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR QF. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR QR. THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE PER ANY PASSENGER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. YR FEE MAY APPLY OTHERWISE - ORIGINATING CANADA - MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF CAD 755.00 PER FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS. AND - ORIGINATING ITALY - MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF EUR 250.00 PER FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS. ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED. TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY. SALES RESTRICTIONS IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN HAWAII THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA ANY HA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA. TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/RUSSIA/BELARUS. AND MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3. TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING. EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED. TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR BA AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/RUSSIA/BELARUS. AND MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3. TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING. EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR IB AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/RUSSIA/BELARUS. AND MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3. TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING. EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR AY AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/RUSSIA/BELARUS. AND MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3. TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING. EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED. PENALTIES CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL/NO-SHOW/ REFUND. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. IN THE CASE OF THE DEATH OF THE PASSENGER/ OR A TRAVELING COMPANION/THE SERVICE CHARGE MAY BE WAIVED OR THE TICKET REFUNDED. VISIT AA.COM FOR DETAILS. ------------------------------------------------ FOR TRAVEL AGENCY BOOKINGS MADE IN MEXICO / THE CARIBBEAN / CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA - AA WILL ASSESS A USD 50.00 FEE ON ANY UNTICKETED RESERVATION NOT CANCELLED BEFORE DEPARTURE. ------------------------------------------------ WHEN COMBINING FARES THAT HAVE CANCELLATION FEES THE HIGHEST CANCELLATION FEE OF EACH CANCELLED PRICING UNIT APPLIES -WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION- WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A NON- REFUNDABLE FARE THE ENTIRE PRICING UNIT WILL BE NON-REFUNDABLE. ------------------------------------------------ TICKET HAS NO VALUE UNLESS TICKETED FLIGHTS ARE CANCELLED PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME. CHANGES ANY TIME CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. REISSUES/EXCHANGES NOT ALLOWED TO EOU/ERU FARE TYPES. -------------------------------------------------- THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION AND PERSON. A CHANGE IS A ROUTING / OR DATE / OR FLIGHT MODIFICATION. CHANGE IS PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY OF ORIGINAL TICKET. THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE. -------------------------------------------------- WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE AND ONLY ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE PENALTY CONDITIONS OF THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WILL APPLY. WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS BEING CHANGED THE HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS WILL APPLY. -------------------------------------------------- IN CASE OF UPGRADE TO A HIGHER FARE OR IF THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED -AND- THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED. -------------------------------------------------- // NON-REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A CHANGE FEE // WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED -AND- NO REFUND WILL BE MADE HOWEVER THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE WILL BE RETURNED TO THE PASSENGER IN THE FORM OF A NON-REFUNDABLE TRAVEL VOUCHER WHICH MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF A TICKET VALID FOR TRANSPORTATION GOVERNED BY AA ONLY. REFUNDABLE TRAVEL VOUCHER WHICH MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF A TICKET VALID FOR TRANSPORTATION GOVERNED BY AA ONLY. -------------------------------------------------- // REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A CHANGE FEE // WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED -AND- THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE REFUNDED TO ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT. -------------------------------------------------- REISSUE/REVALIDATION MUST BE MADE AT THE SAME TIME THE RESERVATION IS CHANGED. -------------------------------------------------- IN CASE OF NO-SHOW - REFUND/CHANGE IS NOT PERMITTED. -------------------------------------------------- CALCULATION FOR REISSUES //CHANGES BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE// WHEN THE FIRST FLIGHT COUPON IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED. ----- WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FLIGHT COUPON BUT OTHER FLIGHT COUPONS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF TICKET REISSUE WHICHEVER IS LOWER. -------------------------------------------------- //CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE// THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE. -------------------------------------------------- THE NEW ITINERARY MUST MEET ALL RULE PROVISIONS OF THE NEWLY TICKETED FARE - I.E. ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING DEADLINE/MINIMUM/MAXIMUM STAY/BOOKING CLASS/SEASONALITY ETC. HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR CONNECTIONS. AND - THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS. TICKET ENDORSEMENTS THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - NONREFUNDABLE - AND - RESTRICTIONS APPLY - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX. CHILDREN DISCOUNTS CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR. OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 5 6 AND 7 YEARS OF AGE WILL ONLY BE TRANSPORTED OVER THE LINES OF AA NON-STOP OR THROUGH PLANE SERVICE. TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME...CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS. THIS RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR TRAVEL ON OTHER AIRLINE OPERATED CODE SHARE FLIGHTS. AGENT DISCOUNTS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS. THIS RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR TRAVEL ON OTHER AIRLINE OPERATED CODE SHARE FLIGHTS. ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS OTS/PASSENGERS OCCUPYING TWO SEATS . ID REQUIRED - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - SEAT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. APPLICATION--- FARES APPLY TO A PASSENGER PERMITTED THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF TWO ADJACENT SEATS. SRC/SENIOR CITIZEN PSGR 65 OR OLDER. ID REQUIRED - NO DISCOUNT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. RULE 1810 - SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS NO PROVISIONS APPLY. FARE BY RULE NOT APPLICABLE. GROUPS NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY. TOURS NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY. VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY. DEPOSITS NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY. VOLUNTARY CHANGES IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT W/O SEAT DISCOUNTS APPLY AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED FARE COMPONENT 4. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED 5. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED 6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET 7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED FARE COMPONENT 3. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED 4. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED 5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. OR - AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT W/O SEAT DISCOUNTS APPLY AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED FARE COMPONENT 3. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED 4. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED 5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND - REFUND VIA VOUCHER ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. . VOLUNTARY REFUNDS CHECK CATEGORY 16 OR CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS. NEGOTIATED FARES NOT APPLICABLE. INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
Dec 30, 2023, 1:54 am
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There will be very little change in taxes and surcharges, generally OW adjust total cost of EU-US and US-EU fares by varying the base fare with the surcharges more or less being the absolute floor.
This is why having some TA, even an OTA, is beneficial. I have found AA and BA to be horrible with understanding their own fare rules, especially things like this where the customer has some flexibility. They are used to working with fares that are not changeable at all and struggle to accurately apply the historical fares rule.
With enough work you can find a routing that works with the routing rules, the idea that there is no I space for 5 pax because it is high season is not accurate. I buy 5 pax in I class every year on similar routes, often not until February or March.
You can find I space, it’s just a matter of finding a competent AA agent to successfully price. You may need to work on seeing if they can reprice one pax initially to see if EF is not accurately reflecting inventory. You should also check this, I think you can change the O or D of you double open jaw and still access historical fares for other city combinations for your return, which may open more options.
This is why having some TA, even an OTA, is beneficial. I have found AA and BA to be horrible with understanding their own fare rules, especially things like this where the customer has some flexibility. They are used to working with fares that are not changeable at all and struggle to accurately apply the historical fares rule.
With enough work you can find a routing that works with the routing rules, the idea that there is no I space for 5 pax because it is high season is not accurate. I buy 5 pax in I class every year on similar routes, often not until February or March.
You can find I space, it’s just a matter of finding a competent AA agent to successfully price. You may need to work on seeing if they can reprice one pax initially to see if EF is not accurately reflecting inventory. You should also check this, I think you can change the O or D of you double open jaw and still access historical fares for other city combinations for your return, which may open more options.