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Ghoulish Sep 6, 2022 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by EXP100 (Post 34577195)
Because people are no longer interested in the world around them but only what their screen is showing. I find it fascinating that people would rather look at some garbage FB post then get a view of the skyline of Manhattan or other notable places.

Damn! Missed another landmark responding to this post! :)

Antarius Sep 6, 2022 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by Hoi polloi (Post 34577271)
I couldn't recall when this started happening, but I was just kind of amazed.

IME, it started pretty much a decade ago and has accelerated with decline of matte screens. Glossy screens became a standard option around 2010 or thereabouts. The iPad was released in 2012, and like other touchscreen units, was also glossy.

Having had a glossy screen for years, I just switched to a laptop with a matte screen and I realized how much I enjoy the lack of reflection.

GaryZ Sep 6, 2022 12:33 pm


Originally Posted by jlemon (Post 34577081)
Flew in Flagship First last week from LHR to DFW. I left the shades up on two of my three windows so I could see western England as well as southern Ireland. No admonishment from the flight attendants. However, once over the north Atlantic, I did voluntarily lower the shades.

On that route (took it last week also) we had a spectacular view of Greenland over the north Atlantic...the FA, seeing my windowshade was open came over to me and together we were in amazement as to how you can see the fishing villages, etc even from that altitude.

upinsmoke Sep 6, 2022 12:36 pm

Want business to control the shade, book business window seat.

GaryZ Sep 6, 2022 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by MarkOK (Post 34577307)
Yep.

I get quite unnerved when I am in a cabin with all the shades down, especially at takeoff and landing and especially on narrowbodies. It's just an overwhelming sensation of vertigo. I don't know how other people don't have the same issues.

I often get an uncomfortable sense of claustrophobia in narrowbodies...thinking I'll just ask them to accommodate my medical condition next time, or at least allow me to bring on a small horse as a emotional support animal LOL

BA2158 Sep 6, 2022 1:25 pm

I like the Dreamliner shades, reducing glare but, can still see outside.

Repooc17 Sep 6, 2022 1:25 pm

I am that "annoying" person that leaving the window open whenever possible. One time FA asked me to close it at the request of another passenger. I politely declined. Mid-day 2 hour flight, window not in the direction of the sun.

salut0 Sep 6, 2022 1:25 pm


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 34576728)
Are they hear to stay? I ask myself was it this way 10 years ago? I mean on pretty much every flight during the daytime everyone's shade is shut. I find this very annoying as it's daytime. The F cabin 100% shut, Y probably 90% shut.

I complained about this back in 2017 here:

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...rs-closed.html

I think AA are worse about it than BA and I attribute that to the laziness of AA’s “senior” flight crews who operate the transatlantic sectors.

salut0 Sep 6, 2022 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by GaryZ (Post 34576906)
And to that end, when the FA orders you to close it on an international flight (one departing 11am/arriving 2 pm wherein sleeping is a poor idea for time zone adjustment) - I obey (maybe leaving a crack or so lol) but wonder what might result if I refused...

I encourage you to refuse. I don’t think people should be prevented from having shades up. Those who don’t want the sun can wear eye masks or use screen protectors. Similarly, better to have the temperature colder rather than hotter so those who are cold can put on a sweater.

salut0 Sep 6, 2022 1:28 pm


Originally Posted by BA2158 (Post 34577766)
I like the Dreamliner shades, reducing glare but, can still see outside.

But Dreamliner shades are controlled by the crew and can be darkened at their control not yours.

Herb687 Sep 6, 2022 1:31 pm

While I leave my window shades open nearly all the time, I not only enjoy the ever varying landscape below, as well as the crossing traffic above but contemplating life and asking myself why people seem to enjoy being in coffins.

And then occasionally reflect on 1984's proles and their overconsumption of mindless drivel.

Having flown on lots of business jets, window shades rarely go down on bizjets during the day (with obvious (temporary) exceptions like direct sunlight streaming in one side of the aircraft)

BA2158 Sep 6, 2022 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by salut0 (Post 34577773)
I encourage you to refuse. I don’t think people should be prevented from having shades up. Those who don’t want the sun can wear eye masks or use screen protectors. Similarly, better to have the temperature colder rather than hotter so those who are cold can put on a sweater.

I agree particularly in regard to hot cabins but, the only issue is that it is difficult to view IFE screens with lots of glare in the cabin.

Doesn't bother me really I usually fall asleep right after the main meal service night or day. Can't remember the last time I completed a full movie :)


Originally Posted by salut0 (Post 34577774)
But Dreamliner shades are controlled by the crew and can be darkened at their control not yours.

I've never had them locked but, I've heard they do.

Carolina2Cali Sep 6, 2022 1:42 pm

Dark cabin lover all the way! Dark cabins don't force you to fall asleep or not be able to read, or see your screen, but the opposite may impede. I prefer aisle seats but sometimes I take the window just to control, well, the window. Hopefully two or more of them. I'll even shut the windows around me from my seat if no one has arrived yet. Sure, an FA MAY ask them to open them but hopefully psychologically they believe they should be closed again after take off... *fingers crossed*

salut0 Sep 6, 2022 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by Carolina2Cali (Post 34577819)
Dark cabins don't force you to fall asleep or not be able to read, or see your screen, but the opposite may impede.

Actually, as discussed above and in my own thread about closing the window shades on daytime flights JFK-LHR, closing all the shades is highly disruptive to people who are tired from having woken up early but want to stay awake on the flight to readjust their time zone to being able to fall asleep in London on their arrival.

jlemon Sep 6, 2022 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by MarkOK (Post 34577307)

I get quite unnerved when I am in a cabin with all the shades down, especially at takeoff and landing and especially on narrowbodies. It's just an overwhelming sensation of vertigo. I don't know how other people don't have the same issues.

Flew with Lufthansa several times in western Europe very recently and on every flight an announcement was made that all window shades were required to be up during takeoffs and landings. I found this to be refreshing. I also kept my window shades up during every flight as the Alps are always a beautiful sight.


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