Pilots Reject Holiday Bonus Pay Offer to Avert Thanksgiving Meltdown
Nov 10, 2021, 9:50 pm
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None of this sideshow justifies the fact that AA needs to offer more money to do the job that the APA agreed to do.
Nov 10, 2021, 9:54 pm
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I had a five year contract with a billion dollar company pre-COVID.
They tore it up, and left me high and dry citing the Pandemic.
Airlines have cut salaries, and staff despite having signed agreements worldwide.
It's not the crews trying to up the salary, it's the management trying to keep it artificially low and push poor work conditions.
The issue ISN'T money, it is the union trying to make operations smoother for everyone. It's a .... show over there, and it cannot continue like this. As the article says, "throwing money at it doesn't fix the structural problem that management has created"
From Dallas Morning Post
"But pilots union spokesman Dennis Tajer said the extra pay isn’t as important to pilots as disrupted work schedules and being stuck away from home. He said the vote to reject the pay incentives was unanimous from the union’s board of directors and feedback from pilots has been overwhelmingly supportive.
“Management is failing to address the long-term solutions and is just trying to throw money at the problem,” Tajer said. “However, the problem is connecting pilots to the airplane and throwing money at it doesn’t fix the structural problem that management has created.”
The union has been pushing for American Airlines to fix its cancellation and delay problems by putting fewer pilots on reserve, or on call. Tajer said as many as 35% of all pilots have been on reserve in recent months to try to make sure there are enough extra pilots for potential disruptions. But having such a large number of pilots on reserve means more required hours for other pilots."
They tore it up, and left me high and dry citing the Pandemic.
Airlines have cut salaries, and staff despite having signed agreements worldwide.
It's not the crews trying to up the salary, it's the management trying to keep it artificially low and push poor work conditions.
The issue ISN'T money, it is the union trying to make operations smoother for everyone. It's a .... show over there, and it cannot continue like this. As the article says, "throwing money at it doesn't fix the structural problem that management has created"
From Dallas Morning Post
"But pilots union spokesman Dennis Tajer said the extra pay isn’t as important to pilots as disrupted work schedules and being stuck away from home. He said the vote to reject the pay incentives was unanimous from the union’s board of directors and feedback from pilots has been overwhelmingly supportive.
“Management is failing to address the long-term solutions and is just trying to throw money at the problem,” Tajer said. “However, the problem is connecting pilots to the airplane and throwing money at it doesn’t fix the structural problem that management has created.”
The union has been pushing for American Airlines to fix its cancellation and delay problems by putting fewer pilots on reserve, or on call. Tajer said as many as 35% of all pilots have been on reserve in recent months to try to make sure there are enough extra pilots for potential disruptions. But having such a large number of pilots on reserve means more required hours for other pilots."
Nov 10, 2021, 10:10 pm
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Nov 11, 2021, 4:31 am
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They already have a contract. A sickout is not a negotiation, it is a violation of a contract that has already been negotiated. AA is offering something more than the contract requires and union members are planning to purposely violate the agreement they already have. AA's offer is an effort to stop a sickout that should never happen.
They already have a contract. A sickout is not a negotiation, it is a violation of a contract that has already been negotiated. AA is offering something more than the contract requires and union members are planning to purposely violate the agreement they already have. AA's offer is an effort to stop a sickout that should never happen.
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Nov 11, 2021, 7:28 am
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Did anyone else catch their actual hourly rate - something in the $300-$500 category? I feel like I remember reading that in the article. Does anyone know if that's per hour flying, or otherwise how many hours per week that is?
Honestly, as much as I respect pilots and the skill level involved, I can't imagine making that much money and then feeling the need to strike over it. Seems a bit like NBA players striking.
Honestly, as much as I respect pilots and the skill level involved, I can't imagine making that much money and then feeling the need to strike over it. Seems a bit like NBA players striking.
And yes, it does seem like NBA players striking. But, the pilots have the power of the parking brake when a lot of others do not.
Nov 11, 2021, 8:10 am
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Nov 11, 2021, 8:28 am
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That rejection does come as a bit of an eyebrow raiser after such incredible monetary support from taxpayers during the past 18 months but ethics and business are on opposing ends of the spectrum when it comes to organizations of this size so why not?
I check the mail every day for Uncle Sam to send me my stock in American.
I check the mail every day for Uncle Sam to send me my stock in American.
Nov 11, 2021, 8:35 am
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Nov 11, 2021, 8:52 am
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That rejection does come as a bit of an eyebrow raiser after such incredible monetary support from taxpayers during the past 18 months but ethics and business are on opposing ends of the spectrum when it comes to organizations of this size so why not?
I check the mail every day for Uncle Sam to send me my stock in American.
I check the mail every day for Uncle Sam to send me my stock in American.
Instead, they kept their jobs at taxpayer expense and now are flexing shamelessly.
Nov 11, 2021, 8:59 am
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That rejection does come as a bit of an eyebrow raiser after such incredible monetary support from taxpayers during the past 18 months but ethics and business are on opposing ends of the spectrum when it comes to organizations of this size so why not?
I check the mail every day for Uncle Sam to send me my stock in American.
I check the mail every day for Uncle Sam to send me my stock in American.
Nov 11, 2021, 9:18 am
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[QUOTE=Antarius;33720300]Exactly. They could just have easily been sitting unemployed and paid nothing.
Instead, they kept their jobs at taxpayer expense and now are flexing shamelessly.[/QUOTE
Your comment is completely ignorant as you have no idea what’s actually going on. This is not about money
Instead, they kept their jobs at taxpayer expense and now are flexing shamelessly.[/QUOTE
Your comment is completely ignorant as you have no idea what’s actually going on. This is not about money
Nov 11, 2021, 9:38 am
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“We” did not bail out AA nor any other airline. Money has been fiat for decades now, it’s literally made up.
Good on the pilots for standing their ground; AA is trying to put a bandage over a gaping wound. Supply and demand goes both ways, demand more for your labor when there is a labor shortage
Good on the pilots for standing their ground; AA is trying to put a bandage over a gaping wound. Supply and demand goes both ways, demand more for your labor when there is a labor shortage