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Every airline that has flown from the US West Coast to Deep South America has had trouble making money.Originally Posted by futuramadramallama
I recall reading in some interview of an AA exec, that they have "trouble making money" on the west coast to South America route(s). Can't think of the source off the top of my head.
These just aren't good routes for airlines: weak local demand, even weaker premium demand, high ownership cost allocations... That's an ugly trifecta.
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It's an AA problem, not a global travel patterns problem.
Absolutely agree. My reply was specifically directed at AA's routes. Definitely an AA problem, as they decimated their widebody fleet ideal for trying out niche routes (such as all the new European ones UA just announced - Bergen, Mallorca, Tenerife, etc). Makes it impossible for AA to use a much lower capacity and ideally suited 757/767 for many of these routes, and the limited 787/777 fleet will be stretched thin once international business demand recovers in 2023/2024.Originally Posted by DWFI
Except for that UA is launching more "niche" international routes than ever before.It's an AA problem, not a global travel patterns problem.
-FlyerBeek
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Definitely a matter of opinion. But, every time I fly AA the product definitely seems far more Spirit-like than UA. Which airline just spent money ripping out perfectly good entertainment screens in Y and where can you still not get glass of wine on a 6hr domestic flight in Y (or a hot meal in F)? FWIW, I still get far more value out of UA MP than I do DL SkyPesos. YMMV. AAdvantage has been ripe for a massive devaluation for quite a while, they've just been slow to implement it.Originally Posted by Kacee
It's interesting how folks around here hold UA up as some kind of shining example. Yes, it is doing better than AA operationally. But you definitely do not want UA, which has become Spirit-lite in terms of soft-product, and has devalued the MP program below even DL, to be the carrier that AA emulates.
-FlyerBeek
Thanks for the info, opinions, and replies!
Long time United flyer here, but we did take the non stop in Business/First section with the lie flats and just loved it.
Meantime, we DO take the Polaris from IAH to EZE and love that route too it just adds many hours to the itinerary
Long time United flyer here, but we did take the non stop in Business/First section with the lie flats and just loved it.
Meantime, we DO take the Polaris from IAH to EZE and love that route too it just adds many hours to the itinerary
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Latam has been flying non stop lax-lim and lax-scl for at least 10 years and have had lie flats ever since. I guess they have been doing ok with those routes?Originally Posted by Herb687
Every airline that has flown from the US West Coast to Deep South America has had trouble making money
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Maybe? Their financial position isnt particularly great.Originally Posted by carlosdca
Latam has been flying non stop lax-lim and lax-scl for at least 10 years and have had lie flats ever since. I guess they have been doing ok with those routes?