New direct (nonstop) flights from AUS (Austin, TX)
#106
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I wouldn't be surprised to see several routes curtailed during the Christmas period...it looks like AUS-IAD has already been cut the last two weeks of December.
I'm just having a hard time figuring out the long-term sustainability of some of these routes. Some obviously make more sense than others (BOS, IAD, etc) but a twice daily service on CVG-AUS in the middle of a pandemic when business travel is extremely low makes no sense to me. Frankly I don't understand how these are "leisure" routes either. I've been to the area thrice now within the past two years (my best friends live in the Barton Springs area of town) and it's a fine city, but I found it to be incredibly overhyped for what it is (the city does have an impressive marketing strategy, however) and overall lacking the tourist infrastructure that other cities have.
I'm just having a hard time figuring out the long-term sustainability of some of these routes. Some obviously make more sense than others (BOS, IAD, etc) but a twice daily service on CVG-AUS in the middle of a pandemic when business travel is extremely low makes no sense to me. Frankly I don't understand how these are "leisure" routes either. I've been to the area thrice now within the past two years (my best friends live in the Barton Springs area of town) and it's a fine city, but I found it to be incredibly overhyped for what it is (the city does have an impressive marketing strategy, however) and overall lacking the tourist infrastructure that other cities have.
#107
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Location: Austin
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I wouldn't be surprised to see several routes curtailed during the Christmas period...it looks like AUS-IAD has already been cut the last two weeks of December.
I'm just having a hard time figuring out the long-term sustainability of some of these routes. Some obviously make more sense than others (BOS, IAD, etc) but a twice daily service on CVG-AUS in the middle of a pandemic when business travel is extremely low makes no sense to me. Frankly I don't understand how these are "leisure" routes either. I've been to the area thrice now within the past two years (my best friends live in the Barton Springs area of town) and it's a fine city, but I found it to be incredibly overhyped for what it is (the city does have an impressive marketing strategy, however) and overall lacking the tourist infrastructure that other cities have.
I'm just having a hard time figuring out the long-term sustainability of some of these routes. Some obviously make more sense than others (BOS, IAD, etc) but a twice daily service on CVG-AUS in the middle of a pandemic when business travel is extremely low makes no sense to me. Frankly I don't understand how these are "leisure" routes either. I've been to the area thrice now within the past two years (my best friends live in the Barton Springs area of town) and it's a fine city, but I found it to be incredibly overhyped for what it is (the city does have an impressive marketing strategy, however) and overall lacking the tourist infrastructure that other cities have.
Of course I don't blame those in charge of marketing the city for their efforts, it's their mission after all. But business travel, WHEN it recovers, will be backbone of the direct routes to/from Austin. Bring back the nerdbird!.
Of course Austinites do themselves appreciate having direct connections to actual tourist destinations...
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#108
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I think its route dependent. I looked at IAD-AUS flight schedule for 8:00 pm tonight (gets into AUS after 10:30 pm so its all holiday makers, or AUS residents). I'd say the flight is 70% full. Tomorrow's afternoon departure is more like 80% full.
And this is at an airport (IAD) which AA has all but abandoned.
And this is at an airport (IAD) which AA has all but abandoned.
#109
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#110
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I don’t think the extra Austin flights are anything more than an effort to drive Delta into retreat mode on their plans to create a focus city in what AA previously considered a stronghold. Once DL pulls back these non-hub flights will be greatly reduced.
#111
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I think the increased flying is due to needing somewhere to send the narrowbodies. The world changed with COVID and adding another DFW or CLT departure didn't necessarily work. AUS is close to home and AA has traditionally been a strong #2 carrier there after WN.
It's interesting to me that Delta seemed to choose the opposite strategy: abandon most point-to-point flying and concentrate everything through ATL, DTW, MSP, and SLC. It remains to be seen if one strategy worked better than the other.
Delta calls AUS a focus city, but currently only flies from there to its hubs, RDU, and CVG. When asked, Delta said there's no real criteria they use to term something a focus city, it's just marketing.
It's interesting to me that Delta seemed to choose the opposite strategy: abandon most point-to-point flying and concentrate everything through ATL, DTW, MSP, and SLC. It remains to be seen if one strategy worked better than the other.
Delta calls AUS a focus city, but currently only flies from there to its hubs, RDU, and CVG. When asked, Delta said there's no real criteria they use to term something a focus city, it's just marketing.
#112
Join Date: Nov 2017
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Since when has AA started using AUS as a hub?
I was looking to book LAS-JAX in November and wasn't paying all that much attention to the connection city (would have been DFW, CLT or ORD, all of which are fine).
When I was selecting seats I noticed that the connection was in Austin. Huh? Since when has AA been using Austin Texas as a connection airport?
Problem with that is that you don't have many options if you get stuck in Austin and your connecting flight doesn't go...DFW is bad enough..
When I was selecting seats I noticed that the connection was in Austin. Huh? Since when has AA been using Austin Texas as a connection airport?
Problem with that is that you don't have many options if you get stuck in Austin and your connecting flight doesn't go...DFW is bad enough..
#113
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AA has significantly added to its service in AUS, so why not offer connecting opportunities through it?
New direct (nonstop) flights from AUS (Austin, TX) - FlyerTalk Forums
New direct (nonstop) flights from AUS (Austin, TX) - FlyerTalk Forums
#115
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As a gold/plat, there have been several times where I have chosen somewhat wonky connections to either increase my chances of an upgrade, save on stickers, or both. A few months ago I flew PHX-FLG-DFW.
However AUS isn't that wonky these days. With the number of destinations they have, there are quite a few connection opportunities. In some cases, out of OKC, a connection through AUS is the cheapest option for itineraries I have looked at booking less than 7 days out. For itineraries well into the future, it seems to price out even with the other cheapest options.
However AUS isn't that wonky these days. With the number of destinations they have, there are quite a few connection opportunities. In some cases, out of OKC, a connection through AUS is the cheapest option for itineraries I have looked at booking less than 7 days out. For itineraries well into the future, it seems to price out even with the other cheapest options.
#116
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LAS-JAX
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. LAS-AUS-JAX
2. LAS-CHI-JAX
3. LAS-PHX/LAX/DFW-MIA/DFW/CLT-JAX
4. LAS-LAX-PHX-JAX
DFW-DCA
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. DFW-BNA/CLE/CMH/DAY/IND/PIT/RDU/SDF/STL/TYS-WAS
2. DFW-BOS/CHI/CLT/DFW/MIA/NYC/PHL/WAS-CLT-WAS
3. DFW-BOS/CHI/CLT/DFW/MIA/NYC/PHL/WAS-WAS
4. DFW-CLT-WAS
5. DFW-WAS
DFW-MIA
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. DFW-ATL/AUS/FMY/GNV/HOU/JAX/MSY/ORL/PNS/STL/TPA-MIA
2. DFW-CHI/CLT/MIA/PHL/WAS-MIA
3. DFW-MIA
The above routing is not available on all DFW-MIA fares and the cheapest AA fares on this route require non-stop routing.
Last edited by xliioper; Sep 21, 2021 at 5:27 pm
#117
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Boyfriend did a hotwire or priceline flight the other day, I didn't even know those were a thing. He was going to Fort Smith, Arkansas to buy a car. Cheapest flight was $500 but he paid $297 and the mystery routing became on American Airlines, via LAX-AUS-DFW-FSM. So he did both Texas "hubs" if you want to call Austin a hub. I honestly wish Austin was the hub and DFW didn't exist but... alas.
#118
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EYW and PIA may have been broken fares (I'm not seeing these as allowed on current fares, but I suppose they could have been allowed pre-Covid). It's not the same as an allowed routing on a single through fare . AA tends to be more liberal with allowed fare routings in their routing rules than UA/DL.
LAS-JAX
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. LAS-AUS-JAX
2. LAS-CHI-JAX
3. LAS-PHX/LAX/DFW-MIA/DFW/CLT-JAX
4. LAS-LAX-PHX-JAX
DFW-DCA
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. DFW-BNA/CLE/CMH/DAY/IND/PIT/RDU/SDF/STL/TYS-WAS
2. DFW-BOS/CHI/CLT/DFW/MIA/NYC/PHL/WAS-CLT-WAS
3. DFW-BOS/CHI/CLT/DFW/MIA/NYC/PHL/WAS-WAS
4. DFW-CLT-WAS
5. DFW-WAS
DFW-MIA
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. DFW-ATL/AUS/FMY/GNV/HOU/JAX/MSY/ORL/PNS/STL/TPA-MIA
2. DFW-CHI/CLT/MIA/PHL/WAS-MIA
3. DFW-MIA
The above routing is not available on all DFW-MIA fares and the cheapest AA fares on this route require non-stop routing.
LAS-JAX
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. LAS-AUS-JAX
2. LAS-CHI-JAX
3. LAS-PHX/LAX/DFW-MIA/DFW/CLT-JAX
4. LAS-LAX-PHX-JAX
DFW-DCA
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. DFW-BNA/CLE/CMH/DAY/IND/PIT/RDU/SDF/STL/TYS-WAS
2. DFW-BOS/CHI/CLT/DFW/MIA/NYC/PHL/WAS-CLT-WAS
3. DFW-BOS/CHI/CLT/DFW/MIA/NYC/PHL/WAS-WAS
4. DFW-CLT-WAS
5. DFW-WAS
DFW-MIA
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. DFW-ATL/AUS/FMY/GNV/HOU/JAX/MSY/ORL/PNS/STL/TPA-MIA
2. DFW-CHI/CLT/MIA/PHL/WAS-MIA
3. DFW-MIA
The above routing is not available on all DFW-MIA fares and the cheapest AA fares on this route require non-stop routing.
I have also done DFW-MEX-LAX, but that was IRROPS and as I have since learned, not supposed to be allowed.
#119
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Not sure if it was shared in this thread, but when I flew out of AUS a few weeks ago, the AAgents (who oddly weren't busy) shared that AA is adding AUS-DEN and AUS-ASE service later this year (the AAgent also added how AA had 'acquired' 3 UA check-in stations at AUS). When I was checking in at DEN a few days later, I mentioned it to the AAgent there, who hadn't heard, but pulled up something on her computer and verified.
This is an interesting story:
Austin: A Unique Glimpse At The Future For American Airlines - Simple Flying
This map has all of the nonstops from AUS (including hubs)
The map a little further down on that page, with the combined AA/partner routes in the US, is rather impressive:
Also to note, the BA AUS-LHR service is returning on 10/13, for 3 days a week.
https://www.austintexas.gov/news/bri...3zCd5-Kjy6ECWo
This is an interesting story:
Austin: A Unique Glimpse At The Future For American Airlines - Simple Flying
Growth in Austin first started in earnest in March. While the airline had some action pre-crisis on routes, the carrier came in with ten new routes from Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS) to some top business and leisure destinations, including Orlando, Las Vegas, Nashville, Raleigh, and Washington D.C., among others.
Then, in June, American announced a second expansion out of Austin with 14 new destinations. This mainly included secondary cities in the United States like Kansas City, Indianapolis, Reno, and Tulsa. Abroad, American added flights to Mexico, Costa Rica, and the Caribbean. Since then, American has also quietly added some new destinations from Austin, like Denver.
Then, in June, American announced a second expansion out of Austin with 14 new destinations. This mainly included secondary cities in the United States like Kansas City, Indianapolis, Reno, and Tulsa. Abroad, American added flights to Mexico, Costa Rica, and the Caribbean. Since then, American has also quietly added some new destinations from Austin, like Denver.
The map a little further down on that page, with the combined AA/partner routes in the US, is rather impressive:
Also to note, the BA AUS-LHR service is returning on 10/13, for 3 days a week.
https://www.austintexas.gov/news/bri...3zCd5-Kjy6ECWo
AUSTIN, Texas – Following a 17 month absence, transatlantic service will return to Austin-Bergstrom International Airport, as British Airways will soon resume their popular nonstop service from Austin to London-Heathrow (LHR) on October 13.
Having operated in Austin since March 2014, British Airway’s resumed service is scheduled for three days a week on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, aboard a Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
Flight number BA190 will depart Austin at 8:05 p.m. and arrive in London at 10:10 a.m. the following morning. BA191 departs at 12:10 p.m. arriving in Austin at 4:45 p.m. All times are local.
Having operated in Austin since March 2014, British Airway’s resumed service is scheduled for three days a week on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, aboard a Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
Flight number BA190 will depart Austin at 8:05 p.m. and arrive in London at 10:10 a.m. the following morning. BA191 departs at 12:10 p.m. arriving in Austin at 4:45 p.m. All times are local.
#120
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Austin
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Not sure if it was shared in this thread, but when I flew out of AUS a few weeks ago, the AAgents (who oddly weren't busy) shared that AA is adding AUS-DEN and AUS-ASE service later this year (the AAgent also added how AA had 'acquired' 3 UA check-in stations at AUS). When I was checking in at DEN a few days later, I mentioned it to the AAgent there, who hadn't heard, but pulled up something on her computer and verified.
This is an interesting story:
Austin: A Unique Glimpse At The Future For American Airlines - Simple Flying
This map has all of the nonstops from AUS (including hubs)
The map a little further down on that page, with the combined AA/partner routes in the US, is rather impressive:
Also to note, the BA AUS-LHR service is returning on 10/13, for 3 days a week.
https://www.austintexas.gov/news/bri...3zCd5-Kjy6ECWo
This is an interesting story:
Austin: A Unique Glimpse At The Future For American Airlines - Simple Flying
This map has all of the nonstops from AUS (including hubs)
The map a little further down on that page, with the combined AA/partner routes in the US, is rather impressive:
Also to note, the BA AUS-LHR service is returning on 10/13, for 3 days a week.
https://www.austintexas.gov/news/bri...3zCd5-Kjy6ECWo