Reduction/Schedule Changes in Premium Transcontinental Flights Starting Nov 2020
Dec 3, 2020, 10:49 am
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The AA transcon F on the 321T does offer direct aisle access, but if they decide to use planes from the wide body fleet long term on these Flagship First routes, then what becomes of J. They would be the small In't/Hawaii PE cabin, which would be a downgrade, and a disproportionate ratio of F to J. Decisions, decisions..
If the soft-prodcut once again becomes differentiated enough, they could market it again as First Class (same seat/dedicated service).
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Dec 3, 2020, 12:19 pm
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F will be gone. J will be J. AA could offer passengers booked in full fare J, specifcially fares booked the "J" RBD (reservation booking designator), access to Flagship First Dining, enhanced catering/attention on board, etc. Over time, they might even figure out a way to install lightweight/soft partitions to separate the first 2-3 rows of the cabin off if there is a demand for it.
If the soft-prodcut once again becomes differentiated enough, they could market it again as First Class (same seat/dedicated service).
If the soft-prodcut once again becomes differentiated enough, they could market it again as First Class (same seat/dedicated service).
Dec 3, 2020, 12:49 pm
#138
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If they’re gonna use the 772s for transcon then it makes no sense to keep the 321T....would suck if you pay for F on the 321T and later that day on another flight the J seat (777) is basically the same as your F on the smaller plane
likewise would suck to pay for J on the 321T and know that for the same price you could’ve had one of the 772 or 77W J seats...
I say keep the 772s and use the 77W on a few routes for those who really want the F class
likewise would suck to pay for J on the 321T and know that for the same price you could’ve had one of the 772 or 77W J seats...
I say keep the 772s and use the 77W on a few routes for those who really want the F class
Dec 3, 2020, 12:59 pm
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If they’re gonna use the 772s for transcon then it makes no sense to keep the 321T....would suck if you pay for F on the 321T and later that day on another flight the J seat (777) is basically the same as your F on the smaller plane
likewise would suck to pay for J on the 321T and know that for the same price you could’ve had one of the 772 or 77W J seats...
I say keep the 772s and use the 77W on a few routes for those who really want the F class
likewise would suck to pay for J on the 321T and know that for the same price you could’ve had one of the 772 or 77W J seats...
I say keep the 772s and use the 77W on a few routes for those who really want the F class
Additionally, with the 757, 767, and A330 all out of the fleet at this point, as international travel returns there is going to be considerably fewer aircraft to work with. Can they afford the aircraft to throw a bunch of 777s on JFK-LAX?
Dec 3, 2020, 1:29 pm
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Never will be a bunch of 777s on the route. Frequency, when demanded, will be either incremental wide-body adds and/or help from B6. Longer, term if high-frequency demand comes back and AA wants to serve that on their own metal, it will be with an investment in a new narrow-body configuration (I would expect all aisle-access J and a much smaller, if any F).
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Dec 3, 2020, 1:33 pm
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Which is exactly why for the time being, we're sort of getting the best of both worlds as elites-- PE seat at a Y price.
Dec 3, 2020, 2:31 pm
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If we eliminate the alcoholic drink and the food service in Domestic First, it's the same seat when flying on a $399 JFK-CLT-LAX in Domestic First seat for the 1/3 price.
Dec 3, 2020, 6:30 pm
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This is why I always booked the 787 between LAX and DFW. Why stare at your name in the #27 slot of a 60 person upgrade list when you can get the same seat on a coach fare at booking?
Dec 3, 2020, 6:35 pm
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Dec 4, 2020, 12:03 am
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I always thought a big benefit of A321T F that would appeal to people paying for it was the privacy of the small cabin + convenience of the frequent departures.
If you just cared about seat only why not book D1?
If you just cared about seat only why not book D1?
Dec 4, 2020, 5:25 am
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The D1seat on Delta’s 767s is pretty terrible. The only positive to it is that it has direct aisle access. Aside from that, the AA J seat is more comfortable IMO.
Dec 4, 2020, 5:33 am
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Have you read about what domestic transcon D1 has become these days?
Dec 4, 2020, 10:44 am
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Ah I didn't know DL was running old 767s on the flight so can see why AA's 777s would be superior. Am thinking only pre-covid; right now there are very clear differences.
I personally really like AA's transcon (100% dependable hard product consistency, A321T is quite comfortable, no special upgrade process) so have little experience with competitors. I'll miss the A321T if it's gone. Have never flown DL on the route; UA I think is the worst option with the consistency failure (multiple aircraft types and 737 swaps) and uncomfortable aircraft (777 coffins and high-density).
I personally really like AA's transcon (100% dependable hard product consistency, A321T is quite comfortable, no special upgrade process) so have little experience with competitors. I'll miss the A321T if it's gone. Have never flown DL on the route; UA I think is the worst option with the consistency failure (multiple aircraft types and 737 swaps) and uncomfortable aircraft (777 coffins and high-density).
Dec 4, 2020, 2:22 pm
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Ah I didn't know DL was running old 767s on the flight so can see why AA's 777s would be superior. Am thinking only pre-covid; right now there are very clear differences.
I personally really like AA's transcon (100% dependable hard product consistency, A321T is quite comfortable, no special upgrade process) so have little experience with competitors. I'll miss the A321T if it's gone. Have never flown DL on the route; UA I think is the worst option with the consistency failure (multiple aircraft types and 737 swaps) and uncomfortable aircraft (777 coffins and high-density).
I personally really like AA's transcon (100% dependable hard product consistency, A321T is quite comfortable, no special upgrade process) so have little experience with competitors. I'll miss the A321T if it's gone. Have never flown DL on the route; UA I think is the worst option with the consistency failure (multiple aircraft types and 737 swaps) and uncomfortable aircraft (777 coffins and high-density).
On Delta, there is no onboard service other than a snack box and water, beer, and wine upon request even on Delta One on premium transcontinental routes.
If your priority is a lie-flat seat and you don't care about anything else Delta might be a good option; however, when I pay $499 or higher for a premium cabin on a 5h route, I would also expect a decent soft-product. The safety method that indirectly shouts to the customer "go eat at the airport at your own expense" does not fit for me.
Dec 4, 2020, 7:13 pm
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For the most part, DL FAs still recognize you are the customer and basically ensure their livelihood...they still strive to anticipate your needs and aren't put out by requests, even if corporate has tied one hand behind their backs with respect to specifics...