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In response to the SARS-CoV-2 novel Coronavirus pandemic economic slowdown and resultant decrease in travel, American Airlines is retiring 156 aircraft by removing four different models and some older 737 NG aircraft:

Airbus A330-300 (all 9 to be retired 2020)
Boeing 737-800 (76 older airframes)
Boeing 757-200 (remaining 34 to be retired by end of summer 2021 season, but last went to ROW in April)
Boeing 767-300 (last one of 17 in service this year retired to ROW / Roswell, NM on 31 March 2020)
Bombardier CRJ200 (19 to be retired)
Embraer E190 (20 to be retired during 2020)

Most of these are already parked.

Mos

https://www-fool-com.cdn.ampproject....ccelerate.aspx

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Newsroom - A fond farewell to five fantastic fleets - American Airlines Group, Inc.

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American has officially retired the Embraer E190 and Boeing 767 fleets, which were originally scheduled to retire by the end of 2020. The airline has also accelerated the retirement of its Boeing 757s and Airbus A330-300s. Additionally, American is retiring 19 Bombardier CRJ200 aircraft operated by PSA Airlines.

See Memories of the AA Boeing 757 - retired 24 April 2020

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Memories of the Boeing 767-300, retired 31 Mar 2020

AA Coronavirus slowdown accelerates 2020-21 fleet retirements

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Mar 13, 2020, 4:17 pm

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I am going to miss those seatback video screens........ and row 17 that I could never get

You must be thinking of the A330 since the 767 doesn't have them.

Mar 13, 2020, 4:29 pm

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You must be thinking of the A330 since the 767 doesn't have them.

Huh!?

17 ABHJ, next to the mid-galley!

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Mar 13, 2020, 4:32 pm

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Huh!?

17 ACHJ, next to the mid-galley!

I'm up front with no seat back screens so correction noted. But they don't all have them like the 330, right?

Mar 13, 2020, 4:36 pm

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I'm up front with no seat back screens so correction noted. But they don't all have them like the 330, right?

All 58 767s, that I've worked on, had row 17 - from N351AA (built 1988), up to N350AN (built 2003).

Mar 13, 2020, 4:36 pm

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All 58 767s, that I've worked on, had row 17 - from N351AA (built 1988), up to N350AN (built 2003).

Just that row?

Mar 13, 2020, 4:42 pm

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Nah, they had 34 more.

I don't really get the question.

Mar 13, 2020, 5:07 pm

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Nah, they had 34 more.

I don't really get the question.

I’m asking if every seat on the 767 in coach has seat back screens. I thought they were all overhead instead of seat back.

Mar 13, 2020, 6:10 pm

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I’m asking if every seat on the 767 in coach has seat back screens. I thought they were all overhead instead of seat back.

I'm pretty sure the 757 and 767's on the US or AA side never had seat back screens in coach. I was in row 17, the reclining crew rest coach seats for long haul flights, once on a LAA 767 for a DFW-LAX flight, which was a real treat. I still don't recall those having screens.

Mar 13, 2020, 6:12 pm

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I'm pretty sure too but we seem to have a difference in opinion here.

Mar 13, 2020, 6:25 pm

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No, just a misunderstanding!

No AA 767 ever had personal, built-in IFE - not in J, MCE or Y!

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Mar 13, 2020, 6:41 pm

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I'm pretty sure too but we seem to have a difference in opinion here.

It's possible you flew another airline that had the screens in coach on a 767. My understanding from many threads on this topic over the years was that the cost to retrofit was prohibitive not only from a capital expenditure, but ongoing maintenance and the added weight(i.e. fuel costs). The LUS 767's did have screens in Envoy Class (i.e business class) from around 1996 until 2010. When they later refurbed those J cabins to angled lie flat seats, they went back to handing out tablets. Same with their 757's when they put the old A330 Envoy seats into them. They handed out tablets to business class customers and coach passengers watched the video screens hanging above the aisle.

When LAA 767's had angled lie flat seats, they handed out portable DVD players with a binder full of movies to select from. When they refurbed them to what we have now, well - we know nothing has changed. They hand out the portable units on long haul trips.

In both of those above cases for each airline, coach never had anything but a big screen on the front bulkhead of the two coach sections and some drop down screens in the aisles.

Mar 13, 2020, 6:45 pm

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I will say I will miss the 757/767 once they are gone. They served a great purpose for many years and I always enjoyed the ride. But you can't keep running a PC with MS DOS forever...

Mar 13, 2020, 6:49 pm

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This is what I don't get.....I see CV as a 2-3-month (off the charts) dip, and pent-up travel demand will return over the summer, so I'd keep these waiting on the bench. I suppose they forecast demand to not return until much later.

Minimum 6 months, more likely 12 months before travel and economy begin return to "normal".

Data for the virus is the pattern of the Spanish Flu of 1918, 12 month illness.

Guessing on the economy, but if the lock down forces the travel, hospitality industry, entertainment and restaurant industries into prolonged shut downs; these employees are not going to be taking "vacations" for a long time due to lost wages.

Think Great Depression impact of a years duration. Psychologic impact on desire to travel will also be enormous, fear will linger.

Airlines would be wise to add back capacity slowly.

Mar 13, 2020, 6:57 pm

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Minimum 6 months, more likely 12 months before travel and economy begin return to "normal".

Data for the virus is the pattern of the Spanish Flu of 1918, 12 month illness.

~99% of people are recovering from COVID-19 within weeks, often less. The Spanish flu killed ~3% of the global population, but this was also at a time where news did not travel, literally, at the speed of light and medical technology was nowhere near what we have today. There was no WHO or CDC to coordinate containment efforts. Every prognosis views this downturn as a month or two.

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Mar 13, 2020, 7:22 pm

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they have too much capacity. 757/767 are the oldest, least fuel efficient, and most maintenance intensive aircraft in the fleet. it makes perfect sense why they are retiring them early.

I would argue that the 737MAX is the most maintenance intensive aircraft in the fleet.

So there will now be a sizable gap between the A321 and 787. Seems... questionable. DL seems to have managed its fleet infinitely better than AA.

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