OneWorld Illiterate Traveler - Question
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OneWorld Illiterate Traveler - Question
Hello, AA flyers.
I've flown Delta/Skyteam 99% of the time for the past several years (Diamond and all that). In April next year, my wife and I are going to Bali and Singapore. Due to the travel distance/time, we would like to fly J for lie-flat seats. DL/KE are charging $9k-$10k per person whereas AA/Cathay/JAL are half the price at $4.8k. Below is the itinerary I'm looking at.
Is there a catch here as to why it's so much cheaper? I'm not familiar at all with the OneWorld alliance equipment/service.
Thanks in advance for your insight.
4/10/2020
BNA to LAX AA2202 on 738
LAX to HKG AA193 on 773
HKG to DPS AA8915 on Cathay 773
4/18/2020
SIN to HND AA8488 on JAL 777
HND to DFW AA8478 on JAL 789
DFW to BNA on AA2502 on 738
I've flown Delta/Skyteam 99% of the time for the past several years (Diamond and all that). In April next year, my wife and I are going to Bali and Singapore. Due to the travel distance/time, we would like to fly J for lie-flat seats. DL/KE are charging $9k-$10k per person whereas AA/Cathay/JAL are half the price at $4.8k. Below is the itinerary I'm looking at.
Is there a catch here as to why it's so much cheaper? I'm not familiar at all with the OneWorld alliance equipment/service.
Thanks in advance for your insight.
4/10/2020
BNA to LAX AA2202 on 738
LAX to HKG AA193 on 773
HKG to DPS AA8915 on Cathay 773
4/18/2020
SIN to HND AA8488 on JAL 777
HND to DFW AA8478 on JAL 789
DFW to BNA on AA2502 on 738
Last edited by RJPA; Dec 9, 2019 at 8:06 am
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Supply and demand. Theres no obvious "logic" on why specifically x flight is cheaper than y flight.
As for concerns about quality, AA's 77W and CX have excellent seats (same ones) while JL sky suite is also top notch. They blow away anything Skyteam has, IMO.
As for concerns about quality, AA's 77W and CX have excellent seats (same ones) while JL sky suite is also top notch. They blow away anything Skyteam has, IMO.
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Also note that the intra-asian routes on the Asian operators, even when flown by wide body aircraft, are not always in lie flat business class, but rather the old "barcalounger" seats. But that would be true for KE, as well as SQ and JL.
In your itinerary, the only true lie flat business class (and all aisle access seating) would be on the American operated flights.
In your itinerary, the only true lie flat business class (and all aisle access seating) would be on the American operated flights.
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Thanks for the correction on KE. Coffee hadn't kicked in yet.
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I'll second this-- I'd fly CX J over DL J in a heartbeat, having tried both over the past few years.
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And then I'd check the configuration on JL NRT-SIN, they also don't always use lie-flats on regional routes (and NRT-SIN is a long regional route!), but I think "worst case" it will be an angled flat. But they also have some 1-2-1 lie flats in a higher-density configuration that are a little on the tight side. But their best 777 product looks like a 2-3-2 configuration on the seat map so don't just go by that - maybe check the JAL website?
In general, CX and JL are top-class airlines, although personally I don't love the CX business class catering (mostly my issue is with the main courses). AA on LAX-HKG will probably pleasantly surprise you, they have a great lounge for international business class, and it's a great seat. The CX lounges in HKG are great too. And at HND, you can check out both the CX and JL lounge (even though you're flying JL), which I'd do if you have time.
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Also note that the intra-asian routes on the Asian operators, even when flown by wide body aircraft, are not always in lie flat business class, but rather the old "barcalounger" seats. But that would be true for KE, as well as SQ and JL.
In your itinerary, the only true lie flat business class (and all aisle access seating) would be on the American operated flights.
In your itinerary, the only true lie flat business class (and all aisle access seating) would be on the American operated flights.
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Hello, AA flyers.
I've flown Delta/Skyteam 99% of the time for the past several years (Diamond and all that). In April next year, my wife and I are going to Bali and Singapore. Due to the travel distance/time, we would like to fly J for lie-flat seats. DL/KE are charging $9k-$10k per person whereas AA/Cathay/JAL are half the price at $4.8k. Below is the itinerary I'm looking at.
Is there a catch here as to why it's so much cheaper? I'm not familiar at all with the OneWorld alliance equipment/service.
Thanks in advance for your insight.
4/10/2020
BNA to LAX AA2202 on 738
LAX to HKG AA193 on 773
HKG to DPS AA8915 on Cathay 773
4/18/2020
SIN to HND AA8488 on JAL 777
HND to DFW AA8478 on JAL 789
DFW to BNA on AA2502 on 738
I've flown Delta/Skyteam 99% of the time for the past several years (Diamond and all that). In April next year, my wife and I are going to Bali and Singapore. Due to the travel distance/time, we would like to fly J for lie-flat seats. DL/KE are charging $9k-$10k per person whereas AA/Cathay/JAL are half the price at $4.8k. Below is the itinerary I'm looking at.
Is there a catch here as to why it's so much cheaper? I'm not familiar at all with the OneWorld alliance equipment/service.
Thanks in advance for your insight.
4/10/2020
BNA to LAX AA2202 on 738
LAX to HKG AA193 on 773
HKG to DPS AA8915 on Cathay 773
4/18/2020
SIN to HND AA8488 on JAL 777
HND to DFW AA8478 on JAL 789
DFW to BNA on AA2502 on 738
The Skyteam fare seems excessive .. possibly the stop in SIN, the oneworld fare seems about right for x-USA without a deal but with a bit of work you can do much better.
Good luck.
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Well, unless HKG-DPS is operated by an international long-haul (sometimes it might be), it will likely have the CX regional business class seats. They're basically like the old "angled flat" seats with a hard-backed shell, but they don't recline all that much. I don't mind them, but others do, although 5 hours is probably the limit of sitting in them. If the seat map is 2-2-2 (Airbus) or 2-3-2 (777) these are the seats you'll get. If you see 1-2-1 you'll get flat beds.
And then I'd check the configuration on JL NRT-SIN, they also don't always use lie-flats on regional routes (and NRT-SIN is a long regional route!), but I think "worst case" it will be an angled flat. But they also have some 1-2-1 lie flats in a higher-density configuration that are a little on the tight side. But their best 777 product looks like a 2-3-2 configuration on the seat map so don't just go by that - maybe check the JAL website?
In general, CX and JL are top-class airlines, although personally I don't love the CX business class catering (mostly my issue is with the main courses). AA on LAX-HKG will probably pleasantly surprise you, they have a great lounge for international business class, and it's a great seat. The CX lounges in HKG are great too. And at HND, you can check out both the CX and JL lounge (even though you're flying JL), which I'd do if you have time.
And then I'd check the configuration on JL NRT-SIN, they also don't always use lie-flats on regional routes (and NRT-SIN is a long regional route!), but I think "worst case" it will be an angled flat. But they also have some 1-2-1 lie flats in a higher-density configuration that are a little on the tight side. But their best 777 product looks like a 2-3-2 configuration on the seat map so don't just go by that - maybe check the JAL website?
In general, CX and JL are top-class airlines, although personally I don't love the CX business class catering (mostly my issue is with the main courses). AA on LAX-HKG will probably pleasantly surprise you, they have a great lounge for international business class, and it's a great seat. The CX lounges in HKG are great too. And at HND, you can check out both the CX and JL lounge (even though you're flying JL), which I'd do if you have time.
Thanks for the info on the lounges. Didn't even think about those since I usually go to SkyClub/Centurion.
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Yeah, good call. Infinite1K also mentioned this above. So I looked up the exact equipment on seatguru for those flights. All JL and CX planes have the angle-flat, a.k.a. barcaloungers. But still better than economy so not a deal-breaker.
Thanks for the info on the lounges. Didn't even think about those since I usually go to SkyClub/Centurion.
Thanks for the info on the lounges. Didn't even think about those since I usually go to SkyClub/Centurion.
HKG-DPS will most likely be regional business class as mentioned above, but perfectly comfortable for a 4 hr daytime flight like this. Always a chance you could have a long haul aircraft subbed in between now and then so watch your reservation.
And the JL website will tell you exactly what config you have. The 772's on HND-SIN and NRT-SIN are the Sky Suite III config (as of today through March), 1-2-1 fully lay flat.
https://www.jal.co.jp/en/inter/servi...skysuite3.html
https://www.jal.co.jp/en/inter/servi...skysuite3.html
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In general, CX and JL are top-class airlines, although personally I don't love the CX business class catering (mostly my issue is with the main courses). AA on LAX-HKG will probably pleasantly surprise you, they have a great lounge for international business class, and it's a great seat. The CX lounges in HKG are great too. And at HND, you can check out both the CX and JL lounge (even though you're flying JL), which I'd do if you have time.
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As the equipment has been well covered already, I would like to also point out that when you're flying J on OW with long haul international segments, you'll have access to numerous business class lounges during the trip.
The AA Admiral's Club @ BNA
AA's Flagship and the OW Business Class lounges @ LAX
Multiple CX Business Class and the QF Business class lounges @ HKG
BA and QF Business Class lounges @ SIN (except if you have a really early flight, then contract Dnata - not very good)
JL and CX Business Class lounges @ HND
AA's Flagship Lounge @ DFW
That's a lot of opportunities for enjoying some champagne in my book (in addition to the ones on the flights, of course)!
The AA Admiral's Club @ BNA
AA's Flagship and the OW Business Class lounges @ LAX
Multiple CX Business Class and the QF Business class lounges @ HKG
BA and QF Business Class lounges @ SIN (except if you have a really early flight, then contract Dnata - not very good)
JL and CX Business Class lounges @ HND
AA's Flagship Lounge @ DFW
That's a lot of opportunities for enjoying some champagne in my book (in addition to the ones on the flights, of course)!
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Good to hear on the equipment. I wanted to make sure it wasn't going to be tired, worn-out seats. Thank you for the info.
Yep, that was on the back of my mind. DL isn't exactly always the reasonably-priced carrier, despite my bias toward them.
Thanks for the correction on KE. Coffee hadn't kicked in yet.
Yep, that was on the back of my mind. DL isn't exactly always the reasonably-priced carrier, despite my bias toward them.
Thanks for the correction on KE. Coffee hadn't kicked in yet.
Last edited by xliioper; Dec 9, 2019 at 11:20 am