AA 300 (N114NN) hits sign on / about takeoff from JFK and returns (10 Apr 2019)
Apr 11, 2019, 12:42 pm
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Apr 11, 2019, 12:58 pm
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I think we will find that this incident happened either during, or just after, rotation.There are very few signs on the left side of the runway (direction of travel taking off R/W 31L), so it was likely a distance-to-go sign. Those signs are close to 200' from the centerline, further out than the runway edge lights by some distance. If the plane wasn't airborne or just about airborne at this point, it was going to have bigger problems.
Too tight a left turn on departure? Gust of wind helping things get a bit less stable?
Too tight a left turn on departure? Gust of wind helping things get a bit less stable?
Airliners.net is confirming it's a DTG sign, see NOTAM:
JFK 04/158 JFK RWY 31L 5000FT DIST REMAINING SIGN MISSING 1904110513-1905250200
https://pix11.com/2019/04/11/america...uring-takeoff/
AmericanAir flight 300 out of JFK just emergency landed and there’s a big chunk out of the wing. Ground crew sent us to the lounge and they just don’t care. Way to treat an Exec Plat. pic.twitter.com/T9Sue7I79z
— Melanie Whitaker (@melimelo_01) April 11, 2019
— Melanie Whitaker (@melimelo_01) April 11, 2019
Apr 11, 2019, 2:23 pm
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Apr 11, 2019, 5:20 pm
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Or you can be lazy like me and just look up tail 302SA to see it is a 737-800 @ https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifi...raft_registry/ (although it is unavailable at the moment.
Apr 11, 2019, 5:24 pm
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Guess I assumed 737-8 meant 8oo.
FAA REGISTRY
N-Number Inquiry Results
N302SA is AssignedData Updated each Federal Working Day at MidnightAircraft Description
Serial Number44468
StatusValid
Manufacturer Name BOEING
Certificate Issue Date03/06/2019
Model737-8
Expiration Date03/31/2022
Type AircraftFixed Wing Multi-Engine
Type EngineTurbo-fan
Pending Number ChangeNone
DealerNoDate
Change AuthorizedNone
Mode S Code (base 8 / oct)50624121MFR Year2019Mode S Code (base 16 / hex)A32851Type RegistrationCorporationFractional OwnerNO
FAA REGISTRY
N-Number Inquiry Results
N302SA is AssignedData Updated each Federal Working Day at MidnightAircraft Description
Serial Number44468
StatusValid
Manufacturer Name BOEING
Certificate Issue Date03/06/2019
Model737-8
Expiration Date03/31/2022
Type AircraftFixed Wing Multi-Engine
Type EngineTurbo-fan
Pending Number ChangeNone
DealerNoDate
Change AuthorizedNone
Mode S Code (base 8 / oct)50624121MFR Year2019Mode S Code (base 16 / hex)A32851Type RegistrationCorporationFractional OwnerNO
Apr 11, 2019, 11:01 pm
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Wow. An uncontrolled 45 degree bank to the left on rotation, such that the wing tip nearly touched the ground and clipped the sign?? At around the 2:30 mark...
Apr 11, 2019, 11:10 pm
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Apr 12, 2019, 7:57 am
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That reminds me on the QR 777 departing Miami a few years ago striking an antenna at the end of the runway.
As far as I remember correctly, they have entered the wrong takeoff weight and hence had the wrong thrust setting for take off, so the airplane was barely coming up in the air.
Despite some damage to the hull they continued to Doha.
As others said, the are height limits next to runways so I cant see that departing slightly off the center line is a problem (only if too low in any case).
But of course, speculation.
Nota bene: Flight crew was in best Arabian labour law tradition immediately fired after landing (or no, both 'opted to resign').
As far as I remember correctly, they have entered the wrong takeoff weight and hence had the wrong thrust setting for take off, so the airplane was barely coming up in the air.
Despite some damage to the hull they continued to Doha.
As others said, the are height limits next to runways so I cant see that departing slightly off the center line is a problem (only if too low in any case).
But of course, speculation.
Nota bene: Flight crew was in best Arabian labour law tradition immediately fired after landing (or no, both 'opted to resign').
Apr 12, 2019, 8:45 am
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That reminds me on the QR 777 departing Miami a few years ago striking an antenna at the end of the runway.
As far as I remember correctly, they have entered the wrong takeoff weight and hence had the wrong thrust setting for take off, so the airplane was barely coming up in the air.
Despite some damage to the hull they continued to Doha.
As others said, the are height limits next to runways so I cant see that departing slightly off the center line is a problem (only if too low in any case).
But of course, speculation.
Nota bene: Flight crew was in best Arabian labour law tradition immediately fired after landing (or no, both 'opted to resign').
As far as I remember correctly, they have entered the wrong takeoff weight and hence had the wrong thrust setting for take off, so the airplane was barely coming up in the air.
Despite some damage to the hull they continued to Doha.
As others said, the are height limits next to runways so I cant see that departing slightly off the center line is a problem (only if too low in any case).
But of course, speculation.
Nota bene: Flight crew was in best Arabian labour law tradition immediately fired after landing (or no, both 'opted to resign').
It sounds like a questionable safety decision to continue a longhaul flight after hull damage on takeoff.
Apr 12, 2019, 8:46 am
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That reminds me on the QR 777 departing Miami a few years ago striking an antenna at the end of the runway.
As far as I remember correctly, they have entered the wrong takeoff weight and hence had the wrong thrust setting for take off, so the airplane was barely coming up in the air.
Despite some damage to the hull they continued to Doha.
As others said, the are height limits next to runways so I cant see that departing slightly off the center line is a problem (only if too low in any case).
But of course, speculation.
Nota bene: Flight crew was in best Arabian labour law tradition immediately fired after landing (or no, both 'opted to resign').
As far as I remember correctly, they have entered the wrong takeoff weight and hence had the wrong thrust setting for take off, so the airplane was barely coming up in the air.
Despite some damage to the hull they continued to Doha.
As others said, the are height limits next to runways so I cant see that departing slightly off the center line is a problem (only if too low in any case).
But of course, speculation.
Nota bene: Flight crew was in best Arabian labour law tradition immediately fired after landing (or no, both 'opted to resign').
Apr 12, 2019, 8:58 am
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Correct, after landing in Doha a hull defect was detected. Obviously the plane hit the antenna with its tail.
(you can google the full NTSB report).
Consequently, 2 out of the 4 pilots were given the boot. There was a similar incident with an EK A340-500 (I think in Johannesburg) around that time as well; the airplane returned to the airport (they also lost their jobs). Both Pilot/ 1st O did not recognise that they've entered the wrong departure weight.
(you can google the full NTSB report).
Consequently, 2 out of the 4 pilots were given the boot. There was a similar incident with an EK A340-500 (I think in Johannesburg) around that time as well; the airplane returned to the airport (they also lost their jobs). Both Pilot/ 1st O did not recognise that they've entered the wrong departure weight.