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Originally Posted by scubadu
(Post 30672823)
I'm generally a tightwad, but even I don't think 5K is a "reasonable" premium for PE over standard economy. If you are hoping for that, I think you are likely to be disappointed.
Regards Toss in AA’s use of married segment logic to game award availability/pricing, and I’m not holding much hope that AA is going to do anything really rewarding for me with the upcoming award chart revisions and award travel booking overall.
Originally Posted by uxb
(Post 30677648)
What will happen is that TATL economy awards will drop from 30k to 10/15/20k to match what BA charges now. The caveat? Good luck finding availability on a non-BA flight to avoid YQ. PE will be priced at 30k.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 30677760)
45k miles in at least one program get me TATL business class one-way, so I wouldn’t find a 10k-20k premium — meaning 40k-50k AA miles for TATL PE — to be all that reasonable.
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 30677760)
Toss in AA’s use of married segment logic to game award availability/pricing, and I’m not holding much hope that AA is going to do anything really rewarding for me with the upcoming award chart revisions and award travel booking overall.
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Originally Posted by HLCinCOU
(Post 30676015)
That link got broken somehow; easy enough to manually clean up though, here it is.
For those wondering, it's JDiver reporting a rumor of exactly our fears, and noting it's totally unverified. And also noting JonNYC disagrees. Today, member shadymg posted here: ...Basically what she said, off the record, was that technically they have started training their CSRs to say that Economy seats when using an SWU can only be upgraded to the "next cabin" which would be Premium Economy. OTOH, JonNYC doesn’t agree. Caveat: as indicated by the thread title, this is a rumor without any verification or hard data. The thread link is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-w-pe-j-f.html |
I'm waiting for the Fresno to Fukuoka service....
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Originally Posted by scubadu
(Post 30677873)
The fact that their is one program with a 45K award for TATL business does not mean that AA will benchmark based on that one, lowest cost data point. Again, you all can wish/hope for whatever you like, then come here and complain about it later when what they announce is, you know... not that. I'm just saying if people think AA is going to price PE @ 35K when standard economy is 30K, they are likely to be disappointed.
I think the discussion/rumor/speculation is simply that AA is going to announce premium economy award charts. I don't think anyone (certainly not me) is implying that all the sudden it's going to turn into the land of milk and honey with more award availability. Has anyone implied that? My assumption is that PE awards will likely be as scarce and hard to obtain as any other AA award, relatively speaking. Regards |
Originally Posted by matrixwalker2012
(Post 30676913)
AA essentially got a $400 copay out of you plus the SWU for you to sit in J. Pretty crafty actually. eventually when PE-J upgrade requests take priority over Y-J upgrades, then the PE cabin can basically serve as a hidden copay AA can charge for using your SWU. between a 7 hour PE flight and the EQM bonus, it was well worth it, IMO. |
Originally Posted by teemuflyer
(Post 30676993)
Hi Zacnlinc! Hope you are well..
I think the issue is not with the actual DFW-ICN PE portion, but rather the SFO-DFW segment as it is not PE and it reverts to Y. Unfortunately sometimes I think AA IT systems has problems handling this. Go figure! |
Originally Posted by Zacnlinc
(Post 30678641)
True...But how does it work that my next flight (SFO-DFW-SCL) offers PE on all segments even though the SFO-DFW leg is a Y fare class ticket. The DFW-SCL segment is a W fare class ticket. Just do not understand why AA is blocking out PE fares for my SFO-DFW-ICN segments. It's just a Q fare class ticket for both legs of the trip.
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 30678762)
What flight from SFO-DFW offers premium economy? Looking at a 1 week period, the flights seem toonly have economy and business class cabins
I'm not expecting to have a PE seat for SFO-DFW legs, just a fare class ticket. The only PE fare I currently have is SFO-DFW-SCL. Have been looking for the same fare class on for SFO-DFW-ICN. |
Originally Posted by Zacnlinc
(Post 30678856)
I am perhaps not explaining this correctly.... Will try again.
I'm not expecting to have a PE seat for SFO-DFW legs, just a fare class ticket. The only PE fare I currently have is SFO-DFW-SCL. Have been looking for the same fare class on for SFO-DFW-ICN. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 30677760)
I would be surprised if AA were to be even that “generous”, but I would welcome that.
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I’m resigned to the reality that the frequent flyer programs are no longer very appealing to my specific situtation. Once in a while, I’ll enjoy some kind of perk, but they’ve all been diluted to the point of oddities and waste. Those 500 mile upgrades? Useless. A business class ticket from East Coast USA to Europe? Pffft. Good luck unless you waste 100,000’s of miles. Boarding priority? As if it matters when all the scammers roll up in their wheelchairs with whole family in tow. Same people from the wheelchairs are suddenly healed upon arrival and sprint off the plane. My visits to Admirals Clubs have been disheartening. Seemingly overrun by a herd of ravenous goats whenever I enter the one at CLT. In PHL’s, the service is surly and hardly anything on offer food-wise. LAX, dirty, also overrun many times. By contrast, other companies’ clubs I visit in Madrid, specifically, and elsewhere are amazing with the food and service. Some of this is due to the airline, most of it do to the passengers. It is what it is. The race to the bottom continues, including among much of the flying public who feels no compunction to behave rationallyl and courteous. Oh, let me carry on this engine block, spare pistons, and all the tools to rebuild my son’s truck ‘68 Corvette. What? I can’t?! Are you kidding me!!!! Waaaaahhhhhhhh! Mommmieeeeee! Blah, blah, blah. To diminish the frustration, I’m finding ways to fly less, thereby opening seats I would occupy to others who may find the experience to their liking. Flying just isn’t a joy anymore, except on some shorter flights on the regional jets that are typically quite clean, friendly staff, and comfortable. |
Originally Posted by uxb
(Post 30680969)
I don't think it will be as generous as you think. With the reduction of miles, AA will likely tack on a YQ that matches BA; ending any prospect of a fee-free trip to London going forward.
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Maybe won't happen immediately but I don't think there is enough of a bump in miles between Y and J to support PE in the medium to long term. J devaluation is inevitable but maybe AA will keep from doing it for a year or so.
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Originally Posted by scubadu
(Post 30677873)
My assumption is that PE awards will likely be as scarce and hard to obtain as any other AA award, relatively speaking.
Regards Now, if we end up seeing J awards where the downgrade segments are to PE rather than Y that would be nice. |
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