Originally Posted by Antarius
(Post 31506451)
The 772 has 37 J seats. Same issue - there is no way AA sells even half of that. It would be upgrade paradise though.
IMO, AA needs a subfleet of transcon 321s/737 MAX, that fit in between the domestic fleet and the 321T. 16 lay flats. |
Originally Posted by Antarius
(Post 31506451)
The 772 has 37 J seats. Same issue - there is no way AA sells even half of that. It would be upgrade paradise though.
IMO, AA needs a subfleet of transcon 321s/737 MAX, that fit in between the domestic fleet and the 321T. 16 lay flats. |
How are these other airlines making money where AA can't?
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Originally Posted by DWFI
(Post 31508649)
Exactly. The data is clear - the paid J demand (and willingness to pay) is massively higher on NYC-LAX/SFO than any other route. The 321T is simply not viable anywhere but those two routes, and even SFO is marginal. AA's paid J yields are in the trash on BOS-LAX since UA joined B6 in being all flatbed, but there is simply no easy solution.
AA needs to either get more 2-class planes with flat bed in J to serve this route, or sell the F cabin as J on the 321T for non NYC-LAX routes, so that they don't have a third of the plane going empty. Right now they are not competitive. Why would you book J BOS-LAX with the A321 or B737 "recliners" when you are guaranteed a flat bed on B6 and UA? |
Originally Posted by upinsmoke
(Post 31530541)
There's plenty of paid J business on the BOS-LAX route, and good yields if the plane has flat bed. B6 and UA are not having a problem with it. The issue is that there isn't the paid F (three class) demand to fill the 321T.
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Need to fly LAX-BOS on 1/29. Never fly this route. None of the 3 flights are listed as a A321T and there's no Biz available. Was the 3-class discontinued?
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Originally Posted by mesadler
(Post 31825981)
Need to fly LAX-BOS on 1/29. Never fly this route. None of the 3 flights are listed as a A321T and there's no Biz available. Was the 3-class discontinued?
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They could put 757s or 767s on this route. I wonder why they don't do that.
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Originally Posted by donotblink
(Post 31826054)
They could put 757s or 767s on this route. I wonder why they don't do that.
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Originally Posted by mesadler
(Post 31825981)
Need to fly LAX-BOS on 1/29. Never fly this route. None of the 3 flights are listed as a A321T and there's no Biz available. Was the 3-class discontinued?
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No real reason to. Just was looking for it.
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Originally Posted by donotblink
(Post 31826054)
They could put 757s or 767s on this route. I wonder why they don't do that.
Long term, they do need a 757 replacement such as a 321neo or 737MAX10 with lie flats to compete on such routes with DL and B6 |
JetBlue has 34 Mint A321ceos that they seem to make money on transcons. It seems like there might be some money to be made with a 16J lie flat configuration on "semi-premium" transcons like BOS-LAX, LAX-DCA, maybe JFK-SFO on some days due to less demand for F.
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Originally Posted by stc
(Post 31507951)
Matbe AA shouldn't have let all those ex-TWA 757s to go to DL. They seem to be working well for Delta after the upgrades Delta did.
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Originally Posted by Ty Vil
(Post 31837308)
The TWA fleet used P&W engines as does Delta/UA - AA's fleet always has used RR. Those planes were eliminated to keep a common engine type.
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