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jmr50 Nov 29, 2018 8:37 am

AA A321T 3 class Flagship 2x a day BOS-LAX 2 Apr - 5 Sep 2019
 
Newsroom - American Airlines Introduces Premium A321T Aircraft to Transcontinental Service Between Los Angeles and Boston - American Airlines Group, Inc.

Thoughts?


In part: Customers traveling from coast to coast on the A321T in Flagship First and Flagship Business will experience fully lie-flat seats and a chef-curated menu, as well as premium wines and amenity kits. Those traveling in Main Cabin can stay connected with power at every seat, high-speed Wi-Fi and seatback entertainment. And, as part of American’s new collaboration with Zoës Kitchen, Main Cabin customers can purchase new light and healthy menu options.

“The Flagship experience on the A321T continues to win awards for best domestic first class travel and provides thoughtful comfort and convenience for customers,” said Vasu Raja, Vice President of Network and Schedule Planning for American. “By introducing the A321T on two daily flights between important business markets like LAX and BOS, we are delivering on our promise to create a world-class customer experience.”

The A321T has become the standard for comfort when traveling between New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) and LAX, as well as between JFK and San Francisco International Airport (SFO). Flagship First and Flagship Business customers have access to meals designed by chef-partner Sam Choy as well as a lumbar support pillow, duvet, mattress pad and other bedding from sleep experts Casper (NB: uncertain what will be offered BOS-LAX-BOS). The aircraft also offers 36 Main Cabin Extra seats, which include extra leg room and complimentary beer, wine and spirits. All customers enjoy free movies and TV shows with seatback entertainment. High-speed satellite Wi-Fi is available for purchase with bandwidth sufficient to support access to personal subscription video streaming services like Netflix* and Hulu*.

Customers at BOS traveling in Flagship First or Flagship Business will have access to the newly renovated Admirals Club, which re-opens in early 2019 after an ongoing colocation project is completed. This will move all American flights to the same terminal with one ticket counter and one baggage claim, and with all gates in the same area, for a seamless customer experience in Terminal B.

At LAX, customers flying in Flagship First have exclusive access to the most premium experience, including Flagship First Check-In — a private, dedicated VIP check-in facility — the Flagship Lounge and Flagship First Dining in Terminal 4. Flagship First Dining offers customers an elevated sit-down meal with regionally inspired dishes and locally sourced ingredients including the Flagship Burger, which was called the “best airport burger” by Travel + Leisure. Flagship Business customers enjoy the best amenities and services in the Flagship Lounge at LAX with a range of options, including a robust food offering and a chef action station with fresh, made-to-order dishes, along with the ability to pair meals with premium wine, champagne and spirits or a refreshing drink from the build-your-own-cocktail station.

Flights will be available for sale on Monday, Dec. 3.

jmr50 Nov 29, 2018 8:38 am

A321T flight schedule (subject to change):
LAX–BOS
AA156 Departs LAX at 7:45 a.m.
AA156 Arrives BOS at 4:16 p.m.
AA2455 Departs LAX at 9:55 p.m.
AA2455 Arrives BOS at 6:22 a.m.
BOS–LAX
AA211 Departs BOS at 7:24 a.m.
AA211 Arrives LAX at 11:10 a.m.
AA2542 Departs BOS at 5:45 p.m.
AA2542 Arrives LAX at 9:28 p.m.

dkc192 Nov 29, 2018 8:43 am

Wish they would have a better eastbound schedule--being BOS based, I strongly prefer the noon or 3-4pm flights to allow me to get half a day in LAX before flying back on a non-redeye, but obviously YMMV depending on your needs!

Adelphos Nov 29, 2018 8:53 am


Originally Posted by dkc192 (Post 30479631)
Wish they would have a better eastbound schedule--being BOS based, I strongly prefer the noon or 3-4pm flights to allow me to get half a day in LAX before flying back on a non-redeye, but obviously YMMV depending on your needs!

Yeah, when flying back from the West Coast, I almost always try to catch flights between 2 PM and 4 PM....

mizzou miles Nov 29, 2018 8:56 am

Wonder if this (hopefully) means the end of BOSJFK on the A321T

AANYC1981 Nov 29, 2018 8:56 am

I'll take it!

CLT Nov 29, 2018 8:58 am

Interesting that they won't be providing free meals in Y on this route, as DL does.

bridge29 Nov 29, 2018 9:02 am

Sounds like they will probably be able to fit this into the existing utlization for the A321T, but I do wonder if there are plans to reconfigure more aircraft.

IADCAflyer Nov 29, 2018 9:02 am

I like it. I periodically take that LAX-BOS red-eye to maximize on ZZZZs.

PHL Nov 29, 2018 9:46 am

And sill no PHL-LAX with the A321T. :( I would have thought BOS and PHL have a similar premium demand for the LAX market.

enpremiere Nov 29, 2018 9:56 am

It's great to see AA launch another premium trans-con route after squashing LAX/MIA. No doubt Mint played a part in this.

No Flagship Lounge/Dining in Boston of course but at least F at LAX would qualify for FFD.

enpremiere Nov 29, 2018 9:58 am


Originally Posted by bridge29 (Post 30479690)
Sounds like they will probably be able to fit this into the existing utlization for the A321T, but I do wonder if there are plans to reconfigure more aircraft.

Despite all of the attention that Oasis and the premium economy projects have received, you're right - there really hasn't been anything in the way of noise about either new A321T leases/purchases or retrofitting legacy A321s (and my guess would be that there won't be).

This sounds more of a defensive/"let's see if it sticks" move.

330West Nov 29, 2018 10:14 am


Originally Posted by PHL (Post 30479850)
And sill no PHL-LAX with the A321T. :( I would have thought BOS and PHL have a similar premium demand for the LAX market.

I wouldn’t think so. Boston is both a more affluent and a more economically diverse and prosperous city and region.

AANYC1981 Nov 29, 2018 10:15 am

I do find it very ironic how in the press release they are promoting seatback entertainment, yet ripping it out of their other domestic fleet.

beachfan Nov 29, 2018 10:15 am

Without more planes, they have to come from either LAX-JFK or SFO-JFK.

BOS-LAX and the JFK routes are prone to IRROPS in winter (and sometimes summer). If they fly a mixture of the 2 class and 3 class 321s, it will be pretty miserable to get bounced from a 3 class to a 2 class. The J seat in the 2class sucks.

no2chem Nov 29, 2018 10:22 am


Originally Posted by mizzou miles (Post 30479662)
Wonder if this (hopefully) means the end of BOSJFK on the A321T

Wait, what? Why would you want to end BOSJFK on the 321Ts? Lie flat seat for MCE price? Unless you're talking about delays ex-JFK because of late incoming from LAX/SFO.

If anything, this solidifies the BOSJFK 321Ts I assume for aircraft rotation - it looks like 2x/day glancing at the schedule in June

bridge29 Nov 29, 2018 10:26 am


Originally Posted by no2chem (Post 30480004)
Wait, what? Why would you want to end BOSJFK on the 321Ts? Lie flat seat for MCE price? Unless you're talking about delays ex-JFK because of late incoming from LAX/SFO.

If anything, this solidifies the BOSJFK 321Ts I assume for aircraft rotation - it looks like 2x/day glancing at the schedule in June

I don't think it does at all. Look at the flight times, it looks like the planes originate in LAX and turn around in BOS.

no2chem Nov 29, 2018 10:55 am


Originally Posted by bridge29 (Post 30480023)
I don't think it does at all. Look at the flight times, it looks like the planes originate in LAX and turn around in BOS.

Hrm actually, good point. I wonder what the BOS-JFK 321Ts are still in the schedule for. Maybe the can borrow one in case it goes mx?

3Cforme Nov 29, 2018 11:00 am


Originally Posted by PHL (Post 30479850)
And sill no PHL-LAX with the A321T. :( I would have thought BOS and PHL have a similar premium demand for the LAX market.

I don't know about premium demand on that route specifically but overall, PHL has 35% less domestic O&D than BOS. It punches way below its weight for metro size.

Austin787 Nov 29, 2018 11:02 am


Originally Posted by mizzou miles (Post 30479662)
Wonder if this (hopefully) means the end of BOSJFK on the A321T

Maybe not. They could continue to fly A321T on BOS-JFK to position the aircraft for its transcon flights.


Originally Posted by PHL (Post 30479850)
And sill no PHL-LAX with the A321T. :( I would have thought BOS and PHL have a similar premium demand for the LAX market.

AA is responding to Delta, United, and JetBlue who fly flat beds on LAX-BOS. No competitor flies flat beds on LAX-PHL. However, one of AA's LAX-PHL flights is on A330 which has flat beds.

PHLondoner Nov 29, 2018 11:31 am


Originally Posted by 3Cforme (Post 30480189)
I don't know about premium demand on that route specifically but overall, PHL has 35% less domestic O&D than BOS. It punches way below its weight for metro size.

B/c there's several airports including EWR and BWI within 30-40 minute drive of much of the metro. Heck, a lot of people take the JFK Shuttle for certain discount international flights. Way more competition than at BOS which is the region's main hub.

LovePrunes Nov 29, 2018 11:33 am


Originally Posted by beachfan (Post 30479971)
Without more planes, they have to come from either LAX-JFK or SFO-JFK.

BOS-LAX and the JFK routes are prone to IRROPS in winter (and sometimes summer). If they fly a mixture of the 2 class and 3 class 321s, it will be pretty miserable to get bounced from a 3 class to a 2 class. The J seat in the 2class sucks.

yeah...I agree on the problems about having a mix of 321T and non 321T service
Google flights shows 6 AA nonstops a day LAX to BOS. AA is announcing 2 of them will be 321T in each direction
Great, so a 2/3 chance you WON'T be on it, and if you book it and there's an issue, you DEFINITELY won't be on it. It'll be nice when it works though, and better than not having the option at all.
Best case scenario they make it more uniform and find a couple more 321Ts to put on it. If it proves profitable, I'm sure they will.
Would definitely like to see them do the same on their nonstop long haul routes from LAX to PHL, CLT and RDU (and of course MIA)

Colin Nov 29, 2018 11:36 am

the 10 3-cabin F seats will be a waste - should be using an intl-configured 75W

nova08 Nov 29, 2018 12:01 pm


Originally Posted by PHL (Post 30479850)
And sill no PHL-LAX with the A321T. :( I would have thought BOS and PHL have a similar premium demand for the LAX market.

I'd say BOS definitely has more premium demand. PHL has the 332.

caburrito Nov 29, 2018 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by Colin (Post 30480323)
the 10 3-cabin F seats will be a waste - should be using an intl-configured 75W

:confused: You'd rather fly in a 757 with 16 premium seats vs a 321T with 30? How's this a waste?

jmr50 Nov 29, 2018 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by Colin (Post 30480323)
the 10 3-cabin F seats will be a waste - should be using an intl-configured 75W

They're a waste out of JFK too. It's all employees and upgraders, every time I'm in 321T F.

Raymond Lu Nov 29, 2018 12:59 pm

For main cabin and main cabin extra, which would you choose? 321T or 321S (LAA 2 class)

AANYC1981 Nov 29, 2018 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by Raymond Lu (Post 30480673)
For main cabin and main cabin extra, which would you choose? 321T or 321S (LAA 2 class)

A321T for the smaller cabin and better UPG odds (20J v 16F)

Antarius Nov 29, 2018 1:30 pm


Originally Posted by Austin787 (Post 30480198)
AA is responding to Delta, United, and JetBlue who fly flat beds on LAX-BOS. No competitor flies flat beds on LAX-PHL. However, one of AA's LAX-PHL flights is on A330 which has flat beds.

The issue with the 332 is its timed for the intl bank from Europe. So those 20 seats go fast (if they are available at all)

Raymond Lu Nov 29, 2018 1:57 pm

321S also has personal tv installed, no IFE? thanks

Raymond Lu Nov 29, 2018 1:57 pm

what is the odds to have op upgrade as oneworld ruby on AA flights? thanks!

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Nov 29, 2018 2:00 pm


Originally Posted by Raymond Lu (Post 30480910)
what is the odds to have op upgrade as oneworld ruby on AA flights? thanks!

Pretty slim.

Often1 Nov 29, 2018 3:28 pm

It sounds as though they've got the birds to do the two RT's without screwing up other scheduing. That is a way to test the market to see if the premium service cuts it xBOS. If it does, once the fleet is increased, I'd bet AA moves the remainder of the frequencies to the premium service. If not, they'll pull the service.

DenverBrian Nov 29, 2018 3:30 pm

Man, I just can't keep up with my scorecard. So the 321T is three-class and the 321S is two-class?

Djokison Nov 29, 2018 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by DenverBrian (Post 30481236)
Man, I just can't keep up with my scorecard. So the 321T is three-class and the 321S is two-class?

A321T: 3 class version.
A321S: 2 class version
A321H: Identical to A321S, but with ETOPS.
A321: 2 class LUS version with no power/AVOD.

When booking flights, the first 3 are coded A32B, the last one is A321



Originally Posted by gateH15 (Post 30481433)

A321S has a lot of bad MCE seats. A321T has all great MCE and more private cabin

I’d argue that the A321S offers more “great” seats than the A321T, but you’re right, it also has some bad MCE seats, of which the A321T has none.

I too prefer the smaller cabin on the A321T.

Antarius Nov 29, 2018 4:53 pm


Originally Posted by Djokison (Post 30481506)
A321T: 3 class version.
A321S: 2 class version
A321H: Identical to A321S, but with ETOPS.
A321: 2 class LUS version with no power/AVOD.

When booking flights, the first 3 are coded A32B, the last one is A321

The last sentence is key. Unless you fly LAX-JFK, SFO-JFK and now LAX-BOS on these flights, you aren't on a 321T. So anywhere else in the network, a 32B is a LAA a321 with power, IFE etc. while 321 is a LUS bird with no power or IFE.

gateH15 Nov 29, 2018 5:05 pm


Originally Posted by Djokison (Post 30481506)


A321T: 3 class version.
A321S: 2 class version
A321H: Identical to A321S, but with ETOPS.
A321: 2 class LUS version with no power/AVOD.

When booking flights, the first 3 are coded A32B, the last one is A321




I’d argue that the A321S offers more “great” seats than the A321T, but you’re right, it also has some bad MCE seats, of which the A321T has none.

I too prefer the smaller cabin on the A321T.

I love row 11 seats and 12F on a321S. I also feel like the rest of MCE is kinda cramped. I believe a321T has an inch more legroom in non exit MCE seats

AANYC1981 Nov 29, 2018 5:09 pm

A321T in MCE is about as good as it can get in coach. Being NYC based we get free fresh meals (LAX/SFO), unlimited wine and cocktails (at least for me), high speed WiFi, roomy seats with so much recline I don’t even need to recline, movies on seatback AVOD etc

gateH15 Nov 29, 2018 5:25 pm


Originally Posted by AANYC1981 (Post 30481578)
A321T in MCE is about as good as it can get in coach. Being NYC based we get free fresh meals (LAX/SFO), unlimited wine and cocktails (at least for me), high speed WiFi, roomy seats with so much recline I don’t even need to recline, movies on seatback AVOD etc

I wouldn’t describe stale bread as fresh meal but it is as good as it gets in domestic Y. And the eat part is that there are no lavatories in the middle of Y in A321S. That mid lavatory kinda ruins 3rd door exit seats in a321s

lightbulbs Nov 29, 2018 7:00 pm

Pretty poorly written press release to suggest they offer lumbar pillows and mattress pads in Flagship Business. Every time I’ve flown the 321T in J they don’t offer those. In F I’ve gotten the lumbar pillow but never the mattress pad (maybe you have to ask?)

Anyone guess what the pricing will be on these routes?


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