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flyingeph12 May 18, 2018 4:49 am


Originally Posted by nrr (Post 29767482)
With construction at LGA where busses have priority exit/entrance over cars, plus huge construction on the VanWyck EXPRESSWAY:rolleyes:, the E (subway) from 74th-Roosevelt to the Air Train bypasses most of the road delays.
[I ride the VW daily and there are monster traffic jams in both directions, even at 11 pm:td:. The AirTrain is not "perfect" either--standing room only, particularly when TSA shift changes occur.]

The LIRR from Woodside is another option, and perhaps a little more pleasant than the E.


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 29765452)
Absolutely. For TATL trips through JFK I almost always start out having to book the LGA/JFK split and then check, check, check for the DCA-JFK leg. Some trips I get lucky and make the change, and some I do not. This one is looking like the latter - AA hasn't been releasing any inventory close-in on that route whatsoever. Presumably saving it for people who actually wish to purchase (with money!) such a connecting itinerary...beggars can't be choosers I suppose.

I wonder, would DCA-CLT-JFK or DCA-BOS-JFK be an option, rather than DCA-LGA//JFK? If it were me, I think I would prefer the extra flight over the ground transfer.

IADCAflyer May 18, 2018 5:08 am


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 29765109)
It's an award routing, so if you're implying that I'm made of money, that's not the case. Either way, with traffic the differential on time saved can come out to be less than one might expect, I kind of enjoy the "active" nature of taking public transit (as opposed to sitting stuck in a cab), and it's $30-40 saved that we can use elsewhere. We have a 6 hour connection so not pressed for time.

Im also doing an award routing this coming summer out of JFK that was not available out of DCA.

If you want a little trick that helps you avoid the mayhem of LGA --> JFK connectors and transits, consider flying BWI to JFK non stop. The MARC/Amtrak service to BWI airport from Union Station is much more predictable and convenient than the bus. $7.00 on MARC and $12.00 on Amtrak. That puts you into BWI and there is a 10:30 BWI-JFK flight that gets you into JFK by noon and ample time to enjoy the Flagship Lounge. I booked this for $110 one way.

Alternate #2 which is cheap is to simply take the Amtrak NEC to Penn Station for $49.00 (sometimes as low as $39.00), take the E train from Penn Station to Sutphin Blvd. and the JFK Aitrain from there to JFK.

arlflyer May 18, 2018 6:04 am


Originally Posted by flyingeph12 (Post 29767650)
I wonder, would DCA-CLT-JFK or DCA-BOS-JFK be an option, rather than DCA-LGA//JFK?

Those routings do automatically pop up on AA award searches for WAS-NYC; they've been coming up intermittently here and there but not for the day I'm flying.



Originally Posted by flyingeph12 (Post 29767650)
If it were me, I think I would prefer the extra flight over the ground transfer.

On paper, perhaps. But with the summer thunderstorm machine already having gotten started for the year (see last week's chaos all up and down the East Coast), I'd rather be in DC with a bunch of direct shots at NYC (via hourly LGA shuttles or the couple JFK flights) than stuck in CLT or BOS. There are lots of options onward to Europe from NYC; fewer out of those markets.



Originally Posted by IADCAflyer (Post 29767687)
If you want a little trick that helps you avoid the mayhem of LGA --> JFK connectors and transits, consider flying BWI to JFK non stop. The MARC/Amtrak service to BWI airport from Union Station is much more predictable and convenient than the bus. $7.00 on MARC and $12.00 on Amtrak. That puts you into BWI and there is a 10:30 BWI-JFK flight that gets you into JFK by noon and ample time to enjoy the Flagship Lounge. I booked this for $110 one way.

Alternate #2 which is cheap is to simply take the Amtrak NEC to Penn Station for $49.00 (sometimes as low as $39.00), take the E train from Penn Station to Sutphin Blvd. and the JFK Aitrain from there to JFK.

I generally avoid adding paid feeder flights to award tickets just out of principle. Plus, I'm more time-rich than cash-rich at this juncture, so saving a couple hundred bucks is worth it.

Re: Amtrak, the whole flight to LGA and transfer to JFK would come in at about time parity with getting to Union Station and NEC to Penn for me, even assuming Amtrak runs on time.

Generally, my philosophy is that I want to be on my single-ticket itinerary as soon as possible. I trust myself to get from LGA to JFK more than I trust Amtrak to get me to Penn Station (or BWI for that matter). It's an imperfect philosophy, for sure, but it's worked OK for me so far.

IADCAflyer May 18, 2018 8:20 am

Understand. I'm a relatively frequent train passenger these days so I've got a decent feel for Amtrak, As long as the train isn't coming from somewhere south of DC, the trains typically run on time.

arlflyer May 18, 2018 8:34 am

Yeah, frankly I'd like to be a more frequent Amtrak passenger. I like the space, the ability to walk around, etc. But for me, getting to/through Union Station actually takes longer than getting to my plane at DCA, the slow chug along the NEC is infuriating (this would be a 2-hour ride elsewhere in the world...), and the lack of seat assignments is worse. Especially on Acela coming back from NYP/Newark.

george 3 May 18, 2018 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 29764640)
I do very much enjoy the T3 lounge offerings, for sure! Looking forward to having the customary tour of all of them. Qantas is new since last time I passed through.

But first, have make that inbound DCA-LGA flight work on what's likely to be, as you note, a rainy afternoon. And to keep things interesting, I'm going to try for the always-enjoyable multimodal public transit option on the LGA-JFK connection. Wish me luck!

Hey I just did the cattle car connection from LGA to the 74th/Broadway station to catch the F train into the city ! Not bad, only an hour and a half from touch down to landing :-(

Fanjet May 18, 2018 11:11 pm


Originally Posted by george 3 (Post 29769067)
Hey I just did the cattle car connection from LGA to the 74th/Broadway station to catch the F train into the city ! Not bad, only an hour and a half from touch down to landing :-(

Aren't "touch down" and "landing" the same thing? :confused:

morrisunc May 19, 2018 8:58 pm

If AA thinks they are going to move "business" travelers to the most important business markets they obviously don't give a crap about RDU. Almost all the flights have been downgraded to E-140s while Delta offers nothing but 2 class RJs. Sucks

williambruno1975 May 19, 2018 10:02 pm




If AA is truly targeting “business” passengers, these pax must be working in some hidden industry more secret than the Yale Skulls that im clearly not aware of ...




Cuz now routes like




NYC - Frankfurt , Zurich, Shanghai, Tel Aviv, and Mumbai etc




are being labeled as “vanity” routes only flown for “sentimental values”




And no, having large market share on routes to your own hubs isn’t a “strength” per se... that should be par for the course for any airline worth their salt. That’s like asking for a gold star because the dog did NOT eat my homework.

AANYC1981 Jun 1, 2018 1:20 pm

A little love for NYC: LGA-CHS/SAV starts on 8/25!

Adelphos Jun 1, 2018 1:32 pm


Originally Posted by AANYC1981 (Post 29818400)
A little love for NYC: LGA-CHS/SAV starts on 8/25!

Is it just me, or is the LGA-CHS flight only offered at noon on Saturday?

This is a party leisure route for weekends in Charleston. Much better if the flight leaves late Friday night or at like 10:00 AM on Saturday. Poor scheduling here

lowfareair Jun 1, 2018 2:56 pm


Originally Posted by Adelphos (Post 29818461)
Is it just me, or is the LGA-CHS flight only offered at noon on Saturday?

This is a party leisure route for weekends in Charleston. Much better if the flight leaves late Friday night or at like 10:00 AM on Saturday. Poor scheduling here

Yeah, both CHS/SAV look to be weekend only.

AANYC1981 Jun 1, 2018 3:20 pm

Two of my favorite medium (or small?) sized US cities....I’ll take it. E175 too so should be an easy UPG.

CHOPCHOP767 Jun 3, 2018 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by AANYC1981 (Post 29818778)
<div style="text-align:left;">Two of my favorite medium (or small?) sized US cities....I’ll take it. E175 too so should be an easy UPG.</div>

If it's anything like BOS to these markets (I assume NYC is worse), the "weekend trip" rates are especially high; nearing if not exceeding south Florida prices in winter. I suspect AA's revenue management knows this and probably thinks they can fill the front of the plane up too.

nrr Jun 3, 2018 5:19 pm

I miss the non-stop JFK-ZRH route. When you do a search for JFK to ZRH, two general routes show: (1) JFK-PHL-ZRH or (2) JFK-LHR-ZRH; for (1) there is < 90 minute connection [or departing from LGA 8 hour or 11 hour connections in PHL:td:], but in any event, should the PHL-ZRH be missed, there is NO other way to get to ZRH from PHL, (2) At least BA runs lots of flts to ZRH from LHR, so (2) seems like the best way to get from NYC to ZRH...of course you skip AA and use a NS on another airline.;)


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