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arlflyer May 17, 2018 9:43 am


Originally Posted by andersonCooper (Post 29764601)
At least at T3 you could enjoy the lounge and no need to clear EU immigration while NYC, hmmm not sure what to see other than rain and cloud next week:D

I do very much enjoy the T3 lounge offerings, for sure! Looking forward to having the customary tour of all of them. Qantas is new since last time I passed through.

But first, have make that inbound DCA-LGA flight work on what's likely to be, as you note, a rainy afternoon. And to keep things interesting, I'm going to try for the always-enjoyable multimodal public transit option on the LGA-JFK connection. Wish me luck!

andersonCooper May 17, 2018 10:29 am


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 29764640)
I do very much enjoy the T3 lounge offerings, for sure! Looking forward to having the customary tour of all of them. Qantas is new since last time I passed through.

But first, have make that inbound DCA-LGA flight work on what's likely to be, as you note, a rainy afternoon. And to keep things interesting, I'm going to try for the always-enjoyable multimodal public transit option on the LGA-JFK connection. Wish me luck!

TBH I have never taken public transit between LGA and JFK, but my cab ride was mostly stuck in the traffic.

I also have hard time finding T3-T3 connections at LHR. Adding more convenience, I believe BA won't even check through your bags unless it's on the same PNR. I don't mind taking the bus from T3 to T5, but it's just annoying.

Finsup72 May 17, 2018 11:07 am


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 29764581)
I'm doing AA F JFK-LHR with an onward connection to BA J out of T3 next week, so I guess I fit perfectly into their plan.


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 29764640)
But first, have make that inbound DCA-LGA flight work on what's likely to be, as you note, a rainy afternoon. And to keep things interesting, I'm going to try for the always-enjoyable multimodal public transit option on the LGA-JFK connection. Wish me luck!

Looks like you're flying AA F and BA J, so may I ask why you're taking public transportation instead of a cab/Uber between LGA and JFK?

arlflyer May 17, 2018 11:46 am


Originally Posted by Finsup72 (Post 29764983)
Looks like you're flying AA F and BA J, so may I ask why you're taking public transportation instead of a cab/Uber between LGA and JFK?

It's an award routing, so if you're implying that I'm made of money, that's not the case. Either way, with traffic the differential on time saved can come out to be less than one might expect, I kind of enjoy the "active" nature of taking public transit (as opposed to sitting stuck in a cab), and it's $30-40 saved that we can use elsewhere. We have a 6 hour connection so not pressed for time.

guv1976 May 17, 2018 12:20 pm


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 29765109)
It's an award routing, so if you're implying that I'm made of money, that's not the case. Either way, with traffic the differential on time saved can come out to be less than one might expect, I kind of enjoy the "active" nature of taking public transit (as opposed to sitting stuck in a cab), and it's $30-40 saved that we can use elsewhere. We have a 6 hour connection so not pressed for time.

If the DCA-LGA leg is part of the award routing, you can keep checking for award availability on the DCA-JFK flights to avoid the ground transfer.

With a six-hour LGA-JFK connection, you have time to stop for a meal, if desired. For kosher deli, take the Q72 bus from LGA to Rego Park, and try Ben's Best, just across Queens Boulevard. For excellent pizza, try Nick's on Ascan Avenue in Forest Hills (75th Avenue stop on the Jamaica-bound F train from Roosevelt Avenue/Jackson Heights).

arlflyer May 17, 2018 1:11 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 29765243)
If the DCA-LGA leg is part of the award routing, you can keep checking for award availability on the DCA-JFK flights to avoid the ground transfer.

Absolutely. For TATL trips through JFK I almost always start out having to book the LGA/JFK split and then check, check, check for the DCA-JFK leg. Some trips I get lucky and make the change, and some I do not. This one is looking like the latter - AA hasn't been releasing any inventory close-in on that route whatsoever. Presumably saving it for people who actually wish to purchase (with money!) such a connecting itinerary...beggars can't be choosers I suppose.



Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 29765243)
With a six-hour LGA-JFK connection, you have time to stop for a meal, if desired. For kosher deli, take the Q72 bus from LGA to Rego Park, and try Ben's Best, just across Queens Boulevard. For excellent pizza, try Nick's on Ascan Avenue in Forest Hills (75th Avenue stop on the Jamaica-bound F train from Roosevelt Avenue/Jackson Heights).

Tempting - I like the look of those two! Will see how tight the schedule ends up being. I've not done as much eating in Queens as I'd like - every time I make the transfer at Roosevelt Avenue/Jackson Heights I always want to take some time and eat through the multitude of Himalayan places, but I'm usually dragging a bunch of stuff and in a hurry...

ashill May 17, 2018 5:43 pm


Originally Posted by Pasqualle7 (Post 29764549)
Whats the need to connect AA with BA? Only a handful of AA people will change at JFK to BA, and vice versa. NYC is for O&D not a connecting hub. There is no need to all be under T8.

Yeah. Specifically addressed by Raja in Leff's piece:

New York isn’t a connectional hub by any means, most all of those flights are entirely filled by people on the non-stops. So JFK-Heathrow, one of our most succesful flights in the system even , is 70-75% full of people going New York – London, and the 20% – 25% that isn’t is typically going beyond London to somewhere else.

In most places that’s a recipe for trouble. In New York we do well in these business markets. ..There’s really no path — we don’t have the slots, the capital, the ability to build a 600 departure hub there.
So JFK-LHR traffic is 70-75% O&D, most of 20-25% beyond LHR, and a tiny amount beyond JFK. Consistent with my general impression, but I've not seen those numbers.

But that said, he still talks about a need/desire to colocate, presumably because of efficiencies in staffing and resources.

tphuang May 17, 2018 7:30 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 29765243)
If the DCA-LGA leg is part of the award routing, you can keep checking for award availability on the DCA-JFK flights to avoid the ground transfer.

With a six-hour LGA-JFK connection, you have time to stop for a meal, if desired. For kosher deli, take the Q72 bus from LGA to Rego Park, and try Ben's Best, just across Queens Boulevard. For excellent pizza, try Nick's on Ascan Avenue in Forest Hills (75th Avenue stop on the Jamaica-bound F train from Roosevelt Avenue/Jackson Heights).

with 6 hours, I'd get to JFK and try out the bridge or flagship first dining if possible. It's too easy for someone from outside of New York to get lost in Queens, especially if he wants to stick with public transit.

Antarius May 17, 2018 8:21 pm


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 29765109)
It's an award routing, so if you're implying that I'm made of money, that's not the case. Either way, with traffic the differential on time saved can come out to be less than one might expect, I kind of enjoy the "active" nature of taking public transit (as opposed to sitting stuck in a cab), and it's $30-40 saved that we can use elsewhere. We have a 6 hour connection so not pressed for time.

even if you are, nothing wrong with public transit.

Heck, the sooner Americans get over the public transit stigma, the more likely we are to get some decent public transit. Sitting for 2 hours in traffic isnt what I call luxurious. Ugh.

PHL May 17, 2018 8:37 pm


Originally Posted by Antarius (Post 29766712)
Heck, the sooner Americans get over the public transit stigma, the more likely we are to get some decent public transit. Sitting for 2 hours in traffic isnt what I call luxurious. Ugh.

The sooner our state and federal governments put a higher priority on better public transit, the more likely we are to get some decent options. But taxpayers don't want to pay for it. Democracy in action. Our country wasn't rebuilt after the 1940's like many other WW2 war torn countries. Most of our public railways are still designs and layouts from 2 centuries ago.

Antarius May 17, 2018 8:50 pm


Originally Posted by PHL (Post 29766753)
The sooner our state and federal governments put a higher priority on better public transit, the more likely we are to get some decent options. But taxpayers don't want to pay for it. Democracy in action. Our country wasn't rebuilt after the 1940's like many other WW2 war torn countries. Most of our public railways are still designs and layouts from 2 centuries ago.

I dont disagree. But part of that is the stigma which leads to appropriations being slated towards highways and the rest vs. Viable public transit. As you said- democracy in action.

It isn't just funding. Denver spent a fortune on public transit and it hasn't amounted to marked better ridership. One theory is the disparate systems we have and the bus stigma. In several places, you take a train which is timed with a bus connection for your last mile dropoff. That isnt a thing here.

anyways, this is pretty OT. Broader point was that pooh-poohing at taking transit was what I found objectionable.

ckx2 May 17, 2018 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by andersonCooper (Post 29764601)
That would make sense. Am flying out 763 later this month and SWU still hasn't cleared, not looking forward to it.

But what's going on with AMS and FRA? Wait for Brexit implementation?

I'd take JFK-FRA in a heartbeat :(

C17PSGR May 17, 2018 11:07 pm


Originally Posted by Finsup72 (Post 29764983)
Looks like you're flying AA F and BA J, so may I ask why you're taking public transportation instead of a cab/Uber between LGA and JFK?

I've certainly flown into LGA/JFK in F or J and hopped on public transit. JFK is particularly convenient for public transit but the Q70/M60 out of LGA works OK as well. Now the Greenline at LAX to go to DTLA stinks but at least you can stop right by the JW/RC at LA Live.

Fanjet May 17, 2018 11:08 pm


Originally Posted by ckx2 (Post 29766902)
I'd take JFK-FRA in a heartbeat :(

With service already provided by DL, LH, and SQ on that route, I doubt AA would ever enter that market. There is no void to flll as far as product offerings are concerned.

nrr May 18, 2018 3:16 am


Originally Posted by Finsup72 (Post 29764983)
Looks like you're flying AA F and BA J, so may I ask why you're taking public transportation instead of a cab/Uber between LGA and JFK?

With construction at LGA where busses have priority exit/entrance over cars, plus huge construction on the VanWyck EXPRESSWAY:rolleyes:, the E (subway) from 74th-Roosevelt to the Air Train bypasses most of the road delays.
[I ride the VW daily and there are monster traffic jams in both directions, even at 11 pm:td:. The AirTrain is not "perfect" either--standing room only, particularly when TSA shift changes occur.]


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