ARCHIVE: Speculation: Possible Routes (Flights) and Hubs, Discussion - 2015 on
#31
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Dang. I just checked my PHL-ZRH flight in May and it's a 763. I purposely routed thru PHL (vs. JFK) to get the A332. This is a paid J ticket and I feel a bit ripped off. I've honestly not flown the refurbished 763 (have flown the A332) but from what I've seen and read the A332 is a nicer seat.
I wonder if I have recourse to change my flights...
I wonder if I have recourse to change my flights...
The retrofit 763 is comparable to the A332 - both are lie flat seats with aisle access. The only difference is IFE.
#32
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For DUB, the routing might be CLT-DUB-ORD-DUB-CLT. ZRH may be JFK-ZRH-PHL-ZRH-JFK.
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I know that. But my question was about crew bases. Will there be a crew base at ORD for LUS crews? Or will they be flying crews in on a ferry flight from PHL/CLT? My concern is when something like a cockpit crew member calls out sick. At PHL/CLT you have those people on call. At ORD you do not. So the flight gets cancelled, as opposed to possibly being delayed until the replacement crew member (on call) arrives.
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#37
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Yes, LAA's retrofitted 763's J Cabin have lie flat seats comparable to LUS A332/A333's seats.
However, the retrofitted 763 J product have a staggered seat cabin:
Whereas the LUS A332/A333's lie seats in J do not have a staggered seat cabin:
To some people this may make a difference; to others no difference at all.
#38
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There is a minute difference.
Yes, LAA's retrofitted 763's J Cabin have lie flat seats comparable to LUS A332/A333's seats.
However, the retrofitted 763 J product have a staggered seat cabin:
Whereas the LUS A332/A333's lie seats in J do not have a staggered seat cabin:
To some people this may make a difference; to others no difference at all.
Yes, LAA's retrofitted 763's J Cabin have lie flat seats comparable to LUS A332/A333's seats.
However, the retrofitted 763 J product have a staggered seat cabin:
Whereas the LUS A332/A333's lie seats in J do not have a staggered seat cabin:
To some people this may make a difference; to others no difference at all.
The micro-difference is that some have reported (and I have experienced) two difficulties with the CIP 763 J seat.
1. The footwell is too small, making it difficult for us taller folks to stretch out in bed mode.
2. The tray table is a bear to operate - I had two FA's trying to get mine closed twice on JFK-MAD last September.
Also, the 763 uses Samsung tablets for IFE - a more complicated setup, and only available after takeoff, then collected an hour before landing; the 330's have built-in IFE which does not have these limitations.
#39
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So, if I'm on a ZHR-PHL in June, would that mean a plane change?
#40
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Yes. Starting in May apparently, they swapped the 332 for the 763. Check your record locator on the AA site. You'll most likely see a change in flight numbers and seat assignments.
I'm not happy about the change but there's not much I can do. The 332 is not exactly state of the art and is I think about 10 yrs old now but the herringbone layout is so much better. The misses and I spent a while last night trying to decide on our new seats. Of course it was no decision for her, see gets the window seat with the table on the aisle side.
On the 332 I would sit across from her in the middle. It was not a problem as my 'seatmate' would be far away given the herringbone. With the straight layout, I would not take a middle seat. Your seatmate is too close.
First world problems but still a bit frustrating.
I'm not happy about the change but there's not much I can do. The 332 is not exactly state of the art and is I think about 10 yrs old now but the herringbone layout is so much better. The misses and I spent a while last night trying to decide on our new seats. Of course it was no decision for her, see gets the window seat with the table on the aisle side.
On the 332 I would sit across from her in the middle. It was not a problem as my 'seatmate' would be far away given the herringbone. With the straight layout, I would not take a middle seat. Your seatmate is too close.
First world problems but still a bit frustrating.
#41
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Yes. Starting in May apparently, they swapped the 332 for the 763. Check your record locator on the AA site. You'll most likely see a change in flight numbers and seat assignments.
I'm not happy about the change but there's not much I can do. The 332 is not exactly state of the art and is I think about 10 yrs old now but the herringbone layout is so much better. The misses and I spent a while last night trying to decide on our new seats. Of course it was no decision for her, see gets the window seat with the table on the aisle side.
On the 332 I would sit across from her in the middle. It was not a problem as my 'seatmate' would be far away given the herringbone. With the straight layout, I would not take a middle seat. Your seatmate is too close.
First world problems but still a bit frustrating.
I'm not happy about the change but there's not much I can do. The 332 is not exactly state of the art and is I think about 10 yrs old now but the herringbone layout is so much better. The misses and I spent a while last night trying to decide on our new seats. Of course it was no decision for her, see gets the window seat with the table on the aisle side.
On the 332 I would sit across from her in the middle. It was not a problem as my 'seatmate' would be far away given the herringbone. With the straight layout, I would not take a middle seat. Your seatmate is too close.
First world problems but still a bit frustrating.
#42
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Can't believe a "retrofitted" plane doesn't have wifi. Now that's a LEGIT first world problem.
#43
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Just curious not sure this is the right forum - does anybody know how Charlotte is performing compared to other hubs now that the new higher wages have been put in place.
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Performing based on what? CLT always had lower O&D numbers for a hub even when it was pmUS. But it also had the lowest costs per passenger. I don't think any of that has changed. I guess a fairer assessment would be how CLT is performing now compared to a year ago. But even that would be skewed. As although the employee wages have gone up, the cost of fuel has declined since then.
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On the revenue front our fourth quarter PRASM was down 5.4%, domestically consolidated PRASM was down 3% and we saw the strongest year-over-year performance in Charlotte, the second strongest domestic performance was in DFW and that's in spite of all the capacity that has been added here.
Hunter "Pumper" Keay asked about the Advantage Fares, and here's how Kirby answered:
Well, Hunter, look, there is a lot to low fares in the market, consumers are having a field say in this environment, particularly we’ll grow oil prices, whether it's there well fares and but I usually like to answer all the question that I get asked on in earnings call, but on this one I'm going to [indiscernible] and does not make commentary about advantage fares.
It's obvious that AA has scaled back the Advantage Fare program by which US undercut AA's nonstop fare pricing, and that's helped the CLT unit revenues. On top of that, NK has yet to attack AA in CLT the way it has at DFW, and thus it's no surprise that CLT unit revenues were the strongest in the system.
Within the last 18 months, AA management at CLT disclosed that CLT featured the lowest unit revenues (PRASM) of "any east coast hub," and thus they had nowhere to go but up once US stopped undercutting AA's nonstop DFW and MIA fares.
The end of Advantage fares will help diminish volume at CLT, as fewer travelers will be encouraged to connect at CLT without the big savings as an incentive, and thus CLT won't see quite so many connecting passengers. The endgame? CLT's impressive growth will slow down and will likely track its population and business activity trends. Slower growth is on the horizon at CLT.
As to the profitability of CLT - AA isn't talking. But with LUS pilots making almost 90% more than they did prior to the merger, and with LUS FAs making more than 50% more than they did before the merger, I would expect that the AA hub at CLT will see continued contraction by 2017.