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Nov 26, 2008, 8:30 am
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No airline has the resources to police this. AA knows some people do it and are willing to accept the fact that only a relatively few number know that DCA-DFW is routinely at least 3 times the price of DCA-DFW-LAS... just one of hundreds of examples.
Nov 26, 2008, 8:42 am
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In theory perhaps, but in reality the odds of that happening are slim to none, and slim has already left the building.
No airline has the resources to police this. AA knows some people do it and are willing to accept the fact that only a relatively few number know that DCA-DFW is routinely at least 3 times the price of DCA-DFW-LAS... just one of hundreds of examples.
No airline has the resources to police this. AA knows some people do it and are willing to accept the fact that only a relatively few number know that DCA-DFW is routinely at least 3 times the price of DCA-DFW-LAS... just one of hundreds of examples.
Regardless....it's still defrauding the airline.
Nov 26, 2008, 10:29 am
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Nov 26, 2008, 10:31 am
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Plus, if I'm ever going to skip a segment, I always call AA in advance and advise an agent to cancel out the segment (so that AA can sell my seat to somebody else).
Nov 26, 2008, 10:39 am
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Nov 26, 2008, 10:48 am
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Nov 26, 2008, 11:15 am
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Yes, but I wouldn't intentionally book a flight with a destination other than my actual one simply for the purpose of getting a cheaper fare. I've skipped segments only with award tickets (where it doesn't matter, and your departure and return airports don't even have to be the same on a round-trip award).
Plus, if I'm ever going to skip a segment, I always call AA in advance and advise an agent to cancel out the segment (so that AA can sell my seat to somebody else).
Plus, if I'm ever going to skip a segment, I always call AA in advance and advise an agent to cancel out the segment (so that AA can sell my seat to somebody else).
The award rules for the mileage you used for your ticket didn't permit the itinerary that you actually wanted to fly, so you purposely skipped a segment to make it work for you?
How is that any different than skipping a segment on a paid ticket?
Using your previously stated logic, it seems to me that you defrauded the airline since their rules for the itinerary you wanted required you to use more miles.
Nov 26, 2008, 12:14 pm
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So let me see if I understand...
The award rules for the mileage you used for your ticket didn't permit the itinerary that you actually wanted to fly, so you purposely skipped a segment to make it work for you?
How is that any different than skipping a segment on a paid ticket?
Using your previously stated logic, it seems to me that you defrauded the airline since their rules for the itinerary you wanted required you to use more miles.
The award rules for the mileage you used for your ticket didn't permit the itinerary that you actually wanted to fly, so you purposely skipped a segment to make it work for you?
How is that any different than skipping a segment on a paid ticket?
Using your previously stated logic, it seems to me that you defrauded the airline since their rules for the itinerary you wanted required you to use more miles.
Nope, not at all. Original itinerary was BGI-MIA-JFK. I decided to fly BGI-MIA and skip MIA-JFK. As you know, an award ticket costs the SAME for either routing. So AA didn't lose any money on me--in fact, it made my BGI-MIA more valuable because the same amount of miles that could pay for BGI-MIA-JFK instead paid for BGI-MIA only.
Award tickets don't have pricing specific to markets. A North America->Caribbean award is valid for departing from ANY city in North America, up to the legal number of connections, to ANY city in the Caribbean. The way AA manages its award revenue is through capacity controls and inventory restrictions. This method, of course, is different from paid tickets (where individual markets determine the fare, and voluntary changing or canceling segments results in repricing). There is no "tariff" calculation for processing award tickets; only taxes/fees.
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Nov 26, 2008, 12:18 pm
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Yes, that's how I feel. Mileage runs are not defrauding the airline because you are buying a public fare and flying it. No cheating involved. It's none of the airline's business why you are flying the itinerary.
Nov 26, 2008, 1:12 pm
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In theory perhaps, but in reality the odds of that happening are slim to none, and slim has already left the building.
No airline has the resources to police this. AA knows some people do it and are willing to accept the fact that only a relatively few number know that DCA-DFW is routinely at least 3 times the price of DCA-DFW-LAS... just one of hundreds of examples.
No airline has the resources to police this. AA knows some people do it and are willing to accept the fact that only a relatively few number know that DCA-DFW is routinely at least 3 times the price of DCA-DFW-LAS... just one of hundreds of examples.
Nov 28, 2008, 6:32 pm
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Not to deviate onto the ethics of skipping a segment but does anyone else have experience with skipping the domestic segment (BOS -> JFK) coming off international (LHR --> BOS). and still being able to use the return BOS --> LHR international segment home? Is this a fluke if you originate outside the USA?
Nov 28, 2008, 6:41 pm
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Not to deviate onto the ethics of skipping a segment but does anyone else have experience with skipping the domestic segment (BOS -> JFK) coming off international (LHR --> BOS). and still being able to use the return BOS --> LHR international segment home? Is this a fluke if you originate outside the USA?
The only time this would work would be skipping the last segment of an itinerary and not checking any luggage... nothing left to be cancelled.
Nov 29, 2008, 1:38 am
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personal experience here:
i had a round trip to NY booked and had to move the flight INTO new york to a day earlier. clearly that's a change, which is fine - got a ticket on another airline that was about 300 cheaper one way than changing my AA ticket. however, wanted to use my AA flight home. Even told the agent that I was willing to pay for the entire round trip ticket and not use the front end - was denied. The back end, after change fee and reprice was about $650, while the entire round trip would have been $275. AA agents basically said that they would consider me a "noshow" even though I was informing them ahead of time and I would lose all segments.
ended up cancelling the flight and used the flight credit, less change fee, on another flight.
makes no sense to me, really, as if I'm telling them ahead of time - they can re-sell my seat even and make the profit! but that's their policy.
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i had a round trip to NY booked and had to move the flight INTO new york to a day earlier. clearly that's a change, which is fine - got a ticket on another airline that was about 300 cheaper one way than changing my AA ticket. however, wanted to use my AA flight home. Even told the agent that I was willing to pay for the entire round trip ticket and not use the front end - was denied. The back end, after change fee and reprice was about $650, while the entire round trip would have been $275. AA agents basically said that they would consider me a "noshow" even though I was informing them ahead of time and I would lose all segments.
ended up cancelling the flight and used the flight credit, less change fee, on another flight.
makes no sense to me, really, as if I'm telling them ahead of time - they can re-sell my seat even and make the profit! but that's their policy.
Happy Flying!
Nov 29, 2008, 1:40 am
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