Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 25690523)
The main issue with a 2300 HND arrival is that almost all public transport stops just after midnight, leaving only a handful of night buses.
If you hit any sort of delay with reaching the train or monorail stations ground side, you could very well be stuck with a very expensive taxi or sitting around for upwards of 2 or 3 hours for a bus going somewhere close to where you want to be. http://www.heiwajima-onsen.jp/en/index.html http://www.heiwajima-onsen.jp/en/images/nb201501en.pdf For 3800 JPY, it's not a bad deal to get a bath and breakfast to kill time until the trains start running again. It's also not on the QR English page, but QR has a Japanese "Welcome back to late night HND arrival campaign" for all passengers on QR812 DOH-HND (HND arrival 22:45) to reserve a free stay at Heiwajima Onsen. Perhaps AA can reach a similar deal as well. |
Hopefully this will change the priority security lane for Haneda to allow AA elites. As of now, flying on a JL flight as a OW elite doesn't get you priority security lane access. You have to have JL, BA, etc elite status. I wish I had taken a picture of the sign for the priority lane when I was there. No alliance access, airline specific only.
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Originally Posted by hartlogan
(Post 25714869)
Hopefully this will change the priority security lane for Haneda to allow AA elites. As of now, flying on a JL flight as a OW elite doesn't get you priority security lane access. You have to have JL, BA, etc elite status. I wish I had taken a picture of the sign for the priority lane when I was there. No alliance access, airline specific only.
Sometimes the staff lets me through as a JL elite when flying on another OW carrier, but it is not the rules and it is rare. Also, I have had the JAL staff working on QR check in escort me through the crew line when flying QR business class. QR business does not give access, only their Gold and Platinum members. |
Originally Posted by hartlogan
(Post 25714869)
Hopefully this will change the priority security lane for Haneda to allow AA elites. As of now, flying on a JL flight as a OW elite doesn't get you priority security lane access. You have to have JL, BA, etc elite status. I wish I had taken a picture of the sign for the priority lane when I was there. No alliance access, airline specific only.
I used that lane in September flying Premium Economy on QF26 with QF Plat status. I'm connecting ITM-HND-SIN tomorrow. If I remember/have time, I'll look at the signs in detail. |
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 25715620)
Did AA have access to that lane when they flew JFK-HND?
I used that lane in September flying Premium Economy on QF26 with QF Plat status. I'm connecting ITM-HND-SIN tomorrow. If I remember/have time, I'll look at the signs in detail. |
If flying to Tokyo or connecting, I'll continue to fly into NRT so I can either 1) get into town at a reasonable hour and have dinner and get some rest before midnight, or 2) enjoy longer connection times to either take a shower at NRT, or even go to Tokyo, have dinner and connect later at HND depending on the situation.
I would consider the HND flight back home, except it is on the 788. Not my favorite by any means. When traveling with my wife, I prefer an old 772 before that plane.. |
Just went through HND international security. The sign lists AC, AF, NH, BA, CX, DL, KA, JL, KE, LH, QR, SQ, TG, UA, CI, BR and GA and noting F (for those airlines with First class) and the higher FF tiers for each.
That said, they let me use it with a JL J boarding pass and QF status - neither of which is mentioned on the sign. |
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 25718120)
Just went through HND international security. The sign lists AC, AF, NH, BA, CX, DL, KA, JL, KE, LH, QR, SQ, TG, UA, CI, BR and GA and noting F (for those airlines with First class) and the higher FF tiers for each.
That said, they let me use it with a JL J boarding pass and QF status - neither of which is mentioned on the sign. |
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 25718120)
Just went through HND international security. The sign lists AC, AF, NH, BA, CX, DL, KA, JL, KE, LH, QR, SQ, TG, UA, CI, BR and GA and noting F (for those airlines with First class) and the higher FF tiers for each.
That said, they let me use it with a JL J boarding pass and QF status - neither of which is mentioned on the sign. |
Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
(Post 25719415)
For JAL it used to be only Diamond and JGC Premier (OWE) but it has now been expanded to Sapphire. I thought I saw that Crystal (OWR) was on the list as well, but I am not sure.
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I also went by there this morning, at around the same time as Himeno, and it was indeed operating airline status or F class, and nothing else.
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American Keeps Tokyo Route as Regulators Reject Delta Claim American Airlines Group Inc. will keep the right to fly between Los Angeles and Tokyo’s Haneda airport, after federal regulators rejected claims by Delta Air Lines Inc. that the privilege should be revoked because American failed to begin service quickly enough. American has until March 27 to begin the flights to Haneda airport, the U.S. Transportation Department ruled. The carrier said this month that it would begin daily service starting Feb. 11, after securing favorable arrival and departure times from Japanese officials. <snip> “The department finds nothing on the record to suggest that, despite a brief startup delay, the anticipated benefits of American’s Los Angeles-Haneda service -– benefits that led the department to award it this authority –- will not be forthcoming,” the Transportation Department said in a ruling issued Wednesday. <snip> |
Well it looks like the Japanese authorities are now making 5 daytime slot pairs available to U.S. carriers at HND. I'm sure AA (as well as UA and DL, and probably HA) will request one for each of their respective flights to HND. Once that happens, I wonder if AA will stick with the 788. Or upgauge it to a CIP 772 or a 77W. Moreover, I wonder if they'll keep LAX-NRT.
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The slot numbers are not quite decided, from what I understand. There were supposedly nine daytime slot pairs left over following the last international slot allocation, and most if not all of these were to be eventually used for US flights. It's possible that they are pushing for a 5:4 split so that DL gets 3 slots, JL and NH each get 2 and AA and UA each get 1. Thus there would be "parity" between DL and its two transpac JV competitors, each having four routes (including their existing night flights). Of course the JVs would have the massive advantage of feed beyond Tokyo, which DL does not have at the moment. Most likely, each faction will move its most competitive business routes (NYC, LAX, SFO, maybe ORD) to HND, while "fortress" routes like DFW stay at NRT.
I doubt that HA will go for a daytime slot, as the midnight departure time is just right for HNL flights. Maybe they would try KOA again, though. |
Originally Posted by Fanjet
(Post 26060209)
Well it looks like the Japanese authorities are now making 5 daytime slot pairs available to U.S. carriers at HND. I'm sure AA (as well as UA and DL, and probably HA) will request one for each of their respective flights to HND. Once that happens, I wonder if AA will stick with the 788. Or upgauge it to a CIP 772 or a 77W. Moreover, I wonder if they'll keep LAX-NRT.
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