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AA / US Fleet & Aircraft Changes 2015 on (Discussion and Speculation)
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I'm interested in 2015 counts, especially on the regional side - I heard that ZW's contract is up this year and not sure what will happen there. 70 CR2s that AA can easily get rid of (I'm fairly sure they are ZW birds, not US planes sub-leased to ZW), but with fuel this low and no other customers for AirWis, ZW could offer a sweetheart deal to keep operating.
Does anyone know what planes Eagle is supposed to get this year?
Does anyone know what planes Eagle is supposed to get this year?
American Airlines Group to grow its regional fleet by 28 aircraft in 2015 even as it parks 21 ERJ140s
American Airlines and US Airways to finish 2015 with 30 fewer aircraft
For related threads on officially announced fleet changes, see:American Airlines and US Airways to finish 2015 with 30 fewer aircraft
AA Orders 60 Embraer 175 / E-175 + 30 Bombardier CRJ900
This thread deals with additions, withdrawals and changes to the combined AA and US fleet. please understand various sources may vary in their numbers and the airline may accelerate or slow aircraft disposition, or even change plans if operating conditions or expected deliveries change.
From the Dallas Morning News, 30 Jan 2015 <link>
American Airlines and US Airways to finish 2015 with 30 fewer aircraft, by Terry Maxon:
"Here are the year-end 2014 numbers compared to the projected numbers for the end of 2015:
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Fleet 2015 2014 Change % Airbus A319 125 118 7 5.9% Airbus A320 55 64 -9 -14.1% Airbus A321 174 139 35 25.2% Airbus A330-200 15 15 0 0% Airbus A330-300 9 9 0 0% Boeing 737-800 264 246 18 7.3% Boeing 757 69 106 -37 -34.9% Boeing 767-200 0 6 -6 -100% Boeing 767-300 49 58 -9 -15.5% Boeing 777-200 47 47 0 0% Boeing 777-300 18 16 2 12.5% Boeing 787-8 12 0 12 ∞ Embraer E190 20 20 0 0% MD-80 96 139 -43 -30.9% Total 953 983 -30 -3.1%
Link to Historical DMN article on AAG fleet changes in 2014
NOTE: Being customer codes can reveal information as well: AA is 23 (ergo the "777-223ER") and US is B7.
AA B767-223ER went to "the boneyard" at ROW 16 Feb 2015. (vorellanaj)
Other aircraft fleet and movements information sources:
Link to AIRFLEETS.NET
Link to AirplaneSpotter.net AA fleet details and history
Link to AirplaneSpotters.net US fleet and history
Link to FlightRadar24 AA fleet listing and flight routing
Link to FlightRadar24 US fleet listing and flight routing
Link to American Airlines fleet statistics
Link to US Airways fleet composition (no stats)
Link to FlightAware flight tracking
Link to FlightStats
AA / US Fleet & Aircraft Changes 2015 on (Discussion and Speculation)
Dec 10, 2013, 11:23 pm
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I think that while many of them are headed for the desert, there will still be a sizable fleet of them left until the end of the decade. Maybe 70 or so. If they are paid for, or have really low lease payments, why get rid of them so fast? Whenever the next economic recession hits, it would be to the airline's advantage to have a number of aircraft that they can mothball at a moments notice, to cut capacity, which do not have a hefty payment due each month. The 319s and 320s from the US-east side were delivered starting in 1999. So they still have some life left in them. There are some older 320s on the US-west side. But I think those are starting to be retired next year.
Dec 11, 2013, 6:07 am
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at some point demand will exceed supply at constrained airports, some airlines will attempt to capitalize on this by increasing supply. Instead of having 7x flights to a city they will go with 5x with a larger aircraft, Nominally increasing capacity and leaving room for another flight to another population center. Again, I am not saying this will happen next year or even in five years, but it will happen.
Dec 11, 2013, 7:42 am
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It may seem like a small thing, but (to me) this will be a key barometer of the direction the new AA management intends to take AA. While US took an LCC approach, DP and other new AA execs have stated that AA is and will remain a premium product, a departure from their US/LCC approach.
Tray table ads (to me) are distinctly LCC and have no place (again, to me) in a premium airline. Will be interesting to see what decision is made in this area.
Tray table ads (to me) are distinctly LCC and have no place (again, to me) in a premium airline. Will be interesting to see what decision is made in this area.
Dec 11, 2013, 7:50 am
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Stickers on the tray table advertising some company. I have seen them on occasion on US but its definitely not fleet wide or a year round program. I have seen this on other airlines as well.
Dec 11, 2013, 7:51 am
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Oh wow, I haven't seen any of those on US this year. I'm not sure that it'd really bother me, but it definitely looks LCC.
Dec 11, 2013, 8:53 am
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When it comes to the int'l fleet, I am wondering whether we'll see consolidation of different types at overseas stations. The 330s are a prime example; not sure whether it makes more sense to keep them consolidated here at PHL and CLT or consolidate them at int'l destinations (the way LHR used to be all 777 or CDG all 763). I could see this being a good way to offer true lie-flats in J to some of the more competitive destinations while awaiting the 763/772 conversions.
At the same time, I could see the US 762s being repurposed for short(er)-range, cargo-heavy routes where AA currently uses 763s, the passenger capacity of which isn't justified on the route. I could see these temporarily occupying the space formerly filled by the AB6.
However I think all of this would hinge upon AA being able to redeploy 772s and 763s to PHL and possibly CLT.
At the same time, I could see the US 762s being repurposed for short(er)-range, cargo-heavy routes where AA currently uses 763s, the passenger capacity of which isn't justified on the route. I could see these temporarily occupying the space formerly filled by the AB6.
However I think all of this would hinge upon AA being able to redeploy 772s and 763s to PHL and possibly CLT.
Dec 11, 2013, 9:17 am
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I don't think the US 762s will still be in the fleet when a single operating certificate is obtained. They're old and costly to operate. The AA 762s appear to be gone by mid-June and I suspect the US 762s will be gone by the end of 2014. The current A330 deliveries are replacements for the US 762s.
Dec 11, 2013, 10:03 am
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Dec 11, 2013, 12:35 pm
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I don't think the US 762s will still be in the fleet when a single operating certificate is obtained. They're old and costly to operate. The AA 762s appear to be gone by mid-June and I suspect the US 762s will be gone by the end of 2014. The current A330 deliveries are replacements for the US 762s.
And another question is whether the combined airline will need all of the aircraft on order, or if there will be some consolidation there too?
Dec 11, 2013, 12:52 pm
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But I do like the MD80 and hope it sticks around. I've only flown the DL variants, but I recall the seats themselves being more comfortable than the usual UA 737 or US A319/32x
