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Originally Posted by lowfareair View Post
I'm interested in 2015 counts, especially on the regional side - I heard that ZW's contract is up this year and not sure what will happen there. 70 CR2s that AA can easily get rid of (I'm fairly sure they are ZW birds, not US planes sub-leased to ZW), but with fuel this low and no other customers for AirWis, ZW could offer a sweetheart deal to keep operating.

Does anyone know what planes Eagle is supposed to get this year?
Here are the 2015 fleet count projections, posted by TWA880:
For related threads on officially announced fleet changes, see:

AA Orders 60 Embraer 175 / E-175 + 30 Bombardier CRJ900

This thread deals with additions, withdrawals and changes to the combined AA and US fleet. please understand various sources may vary in their numbers and the airline may accelerate or slow aircraft disposition, or even change plans if operating conditions or expected deliveries change.

From the Dallas Morning News, 30 Jan 2015 <link>

American Airlines and US Airways to finish 2015 with 30 fewer aircraft, by Terry Maxon:

"Here are the year-end 2014 numbers compared to the projected numbers for the end of 2015:

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Fleet	        2015	2014	Change	%

Airbus A319	125	118	7	5.9%
Airbus A320	55	64	-9	-14.1%
Airbus A321	174	139	35	25.2%
Airbus A330-200	15	15	0	0%
Airbus A330-300	9	9	0	0%
Boeing 737-800	264	246	18	7.3%
Boeing 757	69	106	-37	-34.9%
Boeing 767-200	0	6	-6	-100%
Boeing 767-300	49	58	-9	-15.5%
Boeing 777-200	47	47	0	0%
Boeing 777-300	18	16	2	12.5%
Boeing 787-8	12	0	12	∞
Embraer E190	20	20	0	0%
MD-80	        96	139	-43	-30.9%
Total	        953     983	-30	-3.1%
and "... the 737-800 is going from 150 seats to 160 seats. The 777-200 is going from 247 seats to 260 and eventually to 289."

Link to Historical DMN article on AAG fleet changes in 2014

NOTE: Being customer codes can reveal information as well: AA is 23 (ergo the "777-223ER") and US is B7.

AA B767-223ER went to "the boneyard" at ROW 16 Feb 2015. (vorellanaj)

Other aircraft fleet and movements information sources:

Link to AIRFLEETS.NET

Link to AirplaneSpotter.net AA fleet details and history

Link to AirplaneSpotters.net US fleet and history

Link to FlightRadar24 AA fleet listing and flight routing

Link to FlightRadar24 US fleet listing and flight routing

Link to American Airlines fleet statistics

Link to US Airways fleet composition (no stats)

Link to FlightAware flight tracking

Link to FlightStats


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Old Dec 9, 13, 6:40 am
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AA / US Fleet & Aircraft Changes 2015 on (Discussion and Speculation)

This thread is devoted to Fleet Changes discussion between AA and US.

It will take some time for the company to flush out what aircraft are going where, if any additional aircraft are to get retired, etc.

But feel free to post away here as to how you see things happening in the new airline



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Old Dec 9, 13, 1:41 pm
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Bring me MCE! Even if former US Silvers just get a discount like AA GLD, I'd be happy with that. I can't tell you how much better it makes a TCON with a toddler when the 3 of us have the whole row and the extra room for her.

And I do hope we continue to see the E175 on the USX routes. I still say the USX E175 bulkhead is the best coach bulkhead seat anywhere.
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Just arrived in LAX on 762 from JFK. Enjoyed F seating but boy are these birds beaten up. Looking forward to 321T in the new year.
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I'm still sticking with my initial position that the newish AA livery will be the livery for the combined airline.
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Old Dec 9, 13, 4:48 pm
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US has a LOT of CR2s. Was there any talk/plan pre-merger of drawing down that number?
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Originally Posted by ty97 View Post
US has a LOT of CR2s. Was there any talk/plan pre-merger of drawing down that number?
Doubtful. We've started to see "renovated" CRJ200's coming out of Air Wisconsin. Can't imagine they'd be renovating them if they were to get rid of them. AW only flies for US, so there's nowhere else those birds are going.
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Old Dec 9, 13, 5:06 pm
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Originally Posted by CDKing View Post
I'm still sticking with my initial position that the newish AA livery will be the livery for the combined airline.
I don't know about that. Parker and/or Kirby must not like it, or they would have simply said, "It's new, it's being implemented, it's what we're going with."

Maybe they think the design is too expensive to implement across the fleet? (a la Delta's change a few years back)

They're not the type to change it just to have their 'mark' on the new airline. And certainly not if it costs a lot of money. So there must be something behind the current, "It's under review," stance.
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My guess is that all 762s will be gone by the end of summer. AA plans to have them "decommissioned" by June. But US seems to have them doing extra summer service (although fewer flights next summer than this past one-- so apparently some will be retired by then). However, that could still change now that AA's 763s are part of the mix. I suspect the 734s are in their sunset years. I don't think they will be ringing in the 2015 New Year at US. And US's 752s? That's a good one. They only have about two dozen of them. But they do use the same RR engines as AA. The only difference is the door configurations. I actually prefer US's for transatlantic flights (in Y) because of the lavatories at the 3 L/R doors, and not near the back galley. It makes it easier for FAs and Pax IMO.
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My guess is that all 762s will be gone by the end of summer. AA plans to have them "decommissioned" by June. But US seems to have them doing extra summer service (although fewer flights next summer than this past one-- so apparently some will be retired.
While I felt very nostalgic today on a JFK LAX AA 762, they really are worn out.
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Originally Posted by george 3 View Post
Just arrived in LAX on 762 from JFK. Enjoyed F seating but boy are these birds beaten up. Looking forward to 321T in the new year.
I have read that by mid-year, US Airbus deliveries will have AA configurations -- I assume that refers to the A321s, since there's obviously no AA A330 today. Given the number of A321s US has scheduled for delivery, that could accelerate retirement of the AA 762s.

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My guess is that all 762s will be gone by the end of summer. AA plans to have them "decommissioned" by June. But US seems to have them doing extra summer service (although fewer flights next summer than this past one-- so apparently some will be retired by then). However, that could still change now that AA's 763s are part of the mix. I suspect the 734s are in their sunset years. I don't think they will be ringing in the 2015 New Year at US.
I can't verify this information, but the following was posted over at a.net:

2014 deliveries (AA):

20x 737-800
35x A32x series (A319/A321)
6x 777-300ER
2x 787-800

2014 deliveries (US):

17x A321
3x A330-200

2014 retirements (US):

14x 737-400
4x A320
3x 767-200

I believe that is all the 737-400s that US has left in the fleet. I believe the other 7 US 762s are currently scheduled for retirement in 2015.

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So…They will be change. I heard 2 788 Dreamliners will be delivered sometime in November & December 2014 is the current plan.
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Originally Posted by dtremit View Post
I have read that by mid-year, US Airbus deliveries will have AA configurations -- I assume that refers to the A321s, since there's obviously no AA A330 today. Given the number of A321s US has scheduled for delivery, that could accelerate retirement of the AA 762s.
I don't see what the number of US A321 deliveries has to do with the retirement of AA's 3-class 762s. By June 14, all AA 3-class transcons (JFK-LAX/SFO) will be flown by new A321Ts, and presumably all remaining AA 762s will be retired by then. The US A321s will be configured in 2-classes with about 187 seats compared to AA's 3-class 102 seat configuration.
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Originally Posted by dtremit View Post

2014 deliveries (US):

17x A321
3x A330-200

2014 retirements (US):

14x 737-400
4x A320
3x 767-200

I believe that is all the 737-400s that US has left in the fleet. I believe the other 7 US 762s are currently scheduled for retirement in 2014.
Hard to believe that the other 7 762s will be retired in 2014 as well. Unless the pilot contracts are redone, US' current agreement stipulates a minimum fleet count. Very much doubt they have the room to retire another 7 aircraft without a similar number of replacements.
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Originally Posted by cedric View Post
Hard to believe that the other 7 762s will be retired in 2014 as well. Unless the pilot contracts are redone, US' current agreement stipulates a minimum fleet count. Very much doubt they have the room to retire another 7 aircraft without a similar number of replacements.
Wouldn't the 332s delivered this year and next satisfy that? US will have 15 332s on property by the summer. There have only been 10 762s at US for quite a number of years.
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Wouldn't the 332s delivered this year and next satisfy that? US will have 15 332s on property by the summer. There have only been 10 762s at US for quite a number of years.
That should do it. There should be 5 A332 deliveries for 2013 by the end of the month (4 delivered so far) with none of the 10 767-200ER retired yet. Somewhere recently (Q3 earnings call maybe?) it was stated that at least some 762 leases had been extended into late 2014.
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