ARCHIVE: EC261 / EC 261/2004 complaints, compensation and AA (master thread)
Mar 19, 2019, 8:01 pm
#1381
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I was flying ORD-PHL-MUC all on AA metal, my ord to phl flight was delayed due to mechanical issues causing AA to rebook me ORD-YYZ-LHR-MUC on AA and BA metal. AA gave me a 35 minute illegal connection in customs in YYZ which I didn't realize right away so I missed the connection again. I was rebooked YYZ-MUC on Lufthansa however AA rebooked me after the bag cutoff so LH turned me back to AA. Finally AA rebooked me YYZ-LHR-MUC on BA. Since I arrived at the final destination 8 hours late do I qualify for EU261 or do I not since the AA domestic flight was delayed causing all of this? This was a business extra ticket not a regular award ticket.
Mar 19, 2019, 8:23 pm
#1382
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I was flying ORD-PHL-MUC all on AA metal, my ord to phl flight was delayed due to mechanical issues causing AA to rebook me ORD-YYZ-LHR-MUC on AA and BA metal. AA gave me a 35 minute illegal connection in customs in YYZ which I didn't realize right away so I missed the connection again. I was rebooked YYZ-MUC on Lufthansa however AA rebooked me after the bag cutoff so LH turned me back to AA. Finally AA rebooked me YYZ-LHR-MUC on BA. Since I arrived at the final destination 8 hours late do I qualify for EU261 or do I not since the AA domestic flight was delayed causing all of this? This was a business extra ticket not a regular award ticket.
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Apr 1, 2019, 10:43 am
#1383
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Are EC261 payments made by AA subject to withholding or even a 1099 for someone resident in the US for tax purposes?
Apr 1, 2019, 11:54 am
#1385
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Apr 1, 2019, 1:49 pm
#1386
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Apr 1, 2019, 3:33 pm
#1387
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Thanks for the feedback folks, I couldn't immediately see any way that a 1099 would be issued and if there is no withholding then that's all the answers I needed.
The EU position was never in doubt, for me at least
The EU position was never in doubt, for me at least
Apr 1, 2019, 9:07 pm
#1388
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CLE
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AA flight as follows: MAD-PHL-DCA-CLE. Wacky routing due to AAward ticket. MAD-PHL-DCA on time. DCA-CLE canceled due to MX. Over night in DCA tonight. On a flight in the morning. From what I've been able to determine upstream this looks to be EC261 worthy. Please confirm.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
Apr 1, 2019, 9:48 pm
#1389
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Gatwick, UK
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AA flight as follows: MAD-PHL-DCA-CLE. Wacky routing due to AAward ticket. MAD-PHL-DCA on time. DCA-CLE canceled due to MX. Over night in DCA tonight. On a flight in the morning. From what I've been able to determine upstream this looks to be EC261 worthy. Please confirm.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
If I were you I would find the relevant equivalent of Bott & Co (in the UK) and see if they will take it on for you. Bott and Co will fight all the way for just a share of your compensation (about 30% including VAT). I don't know whose jusridiction you'd be looking for to fight this one.
Apr 2, 2019, 4:43 am
#1390
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If all the flights are on AA metal then yes, this is legally covered by EC261. But you will probably have to fight hard to get it - there is only the Moroccan airline case to support you, but it is in a precedent-setting court.
If I were you I would find the relevant equivalent of Bott & Co (in the UK) and see if they will take it on for you. Bott and Co will fight all the way for just a share of your compensation (about 30% including VAT). I don't know whose jusridiction you'd be looking for to fight this one.
If I were you I would find the relevant equivalent of Bott & Co (in the UK) and see if they will take it on for you. Bott and Co will fight all the way for just a share of your compensation (about 30% including VAT). I don't know whose jusridiction you'd be looking for to fight this one.
Apr 4, 2019, 7:17 am
#1391
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: New York, NY
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Anyone know why BA323 was delayed on 3/17/19? BA was telling me it was weather related but LHR and CDG did not have rain that day and my incoming flight was late.
Last edited by Pasqualle7; Apr 4, 2019 at 7:41 am
Apr 4, 2019, 9:20 am
#1392
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Not sure why this is posted in the AA forum, but you could check out The BA Source if there was a significant delay. Perhaps the incoming flight was from somewhere where there were weather conditions slowing things down.
Apr 4, 2019, 9:43 am
#1393
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It was AA ticket stock. Either way I figure someone would have access. The previous flight was LHR-CDG in which the flight left on time and landed at CDG 34 minutes late causing a 39 minute delay for my flight. After checking the weather at both cities with 0% rain at both airports and no high wind gusts.
Apr 4, 2019, 9:54 am
#1394
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you aren't going to get any compensation for a 39 minute delay unless there was a knock onto a connecting flight that delayed you if so you need to provide those details.
But to reiterate it makes no difference who you bought the ticket from or the flight number for EU261 you claim from the operating carrier.
But to reiterate it makes no difference who you bought the ticket from or the flight number for EU261 you claim from the operating carrier.
Apr 4, 2019, 10:24 am
#1395
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How delayed were you on arrival at LHR? You always claim with the operating carrier. That it was AA stock is not relevant.