Mar 7, 2014, 1:36 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
The current thread for discussing the 767-323ER Thompson Vantage Business Seats is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1542143-boeing-767-300-763-thompson-vantage-business-seat-map-best-seats.html.
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"CIP" Cabin Improvement Program Full Lie Flat Thompson Vantage Seat and All-Aisle Access. 16 of 24 with WiFi, Business with tablets for IFE.
See American Airlines Business Class Seat video in first post [/b][/center]
Due to thread and interest growth, please see 763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Business Seat and Map (master thread). BUSINESS SEAT and BUSINESS CABIN posts have moved to that thread.
NOTE: All currently flying 763s are refurbished.
100% of the active fleet have been converted (as of 30OCT17) (* = wifi available):
- N342AN*, N343AN*, N344AN*, N346AN*, N347AN*, N348AN*, N349AN*, N350AN*, N379AA, N381AN*, N384AA*, N385AM, N388AA, N389AA, N390AA, N391AA, N392AN, N393AN, N394AN, N395AN, N396AN, N397AN*, N398AN, and N399AN*.
The following 34 aircraft have been retired (as of 30OCT17):
- N345AN, N351AA, N352AA, N353AA, N354AA, N355AA, N357AA, N358AA, N39356, N359AA, N360AA, N361AA, N362AA, N363AA, N39364, N39365, N366AA, N39367, N368AA, N369AA, N370AA, N371AA, N372AA, N373AA, N374AA, N7375A, N376AN, N377AN, N378AN, N382AN, N383AN, N386AA, N387AM, N380AN (with N373AA being the final NGBC aircraft retired to Roswell on 30OCT17)
Program details:
- ~26 (46%) of AA's fleet of 57 763 / 767-323ERs have been retained and upgraded with a Cabin Improvement Program - 28 new horizontal lie-flat Thompson Vantage business seats, 14 MCE seats (row 11 gets removed as the business cabin is enlarged), and 163 coach / economy (including 14 exit row) seats. Other upgrades include international satellite Wi-Fi (refit started in 2016), 110V AC power outlets in the business cabin (MCE and coach will retain 15V DC cigarette-lighter style power), new overhead monitors and audio systems, and a refurbishment of lavatories and main cabin seats. No personal in-seat video system was installed - the premium cabin retain the Samsung Galaxy tablets (docked to seatbacks) on international flights, and the main cabin, as well as the premium cabin on domestic flights, will stay with shared overhead screens.
- These aircraft were refurbished for one reason: the AA/BA/IB/AY transatlantic joint business agreement requires that AA have lie-flat seats for transatlantic routes.
- Link to post with artist's rendition of new J cabin. Link to post with new seat maps as they appear in AA.com
- Link to airchive article including pictures, and Link to mycrewlife blog post with more renderings showing the business cabin.
- Link to FT Trip Report with images
- Link to AA's widebody CIP announcement. For 777 upgrades, see thread 777-200ER / 772 No First; New Business Announced 2014 (767 stuff moved).
J-cabin seat map:
Code:
A D G J 2 0_ 0_0_ _0 2 3 _0 _0_0 0_ 3 4 0_ 0_0_ _0 4 5 _0 _0_0 0_ 5 6 0_ 0_0_ _0 6 7 _0 _0_0 0_ 7 8 0_ 0_0_ _0 8 A D G J Legend: 0 = seat; _ = table
Note: the seats in C behind seats with smaller consoles (inside center) have smaller foot cubbies; those with large feet or shoes will feel cramped. Those over six feet will feel cramped if they lie supine in the fully flattened seat; sleeping slanted or side sleeping with bent legs is possible.
In Business they offer a 110 VAC multi-socket in the e-pad front tray area, and another, as well as USB and audio mini jack at shoulder height over and at the rear of the console. Seat controls are touch controls, and can involuntarily be operated by resting your forearm on the console.
The tray table is released with a button; it pivots out and folds. Table height may impede those who are portly or have long legs. Overhead bins, IFE monitors, lavs etc. have not been upgraded.
JDiver's mini-report here.
Contributors: sensei, SDQBound(former B7e7US), Longboater, Econometrics[/COLOR]
ARCHIVE: Boeing 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with Lie Flat Business (2014 CIP)
Apr 6, 2014, 5:06 pm
#331
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Apr 6, 2014, 6:15 pm
#332
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I do find the seat cushioning on UA's seats (both types) to be much better (softer) than most other business seats out there. While I love the CX style seating that AA appears to be using, I wish the seat cushions were not so hard. UA's cushions on CX seats would be perfection in my book.
Apr 6, 2014, 6:54 pm
#333
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Apr 6, 2014, 7:16 pm
#334
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I think I will too end up with FAA1996's conclusion once I actually experience the seat.
Apr 6, 2014, 7:16 pm
#335
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Apr 6, 2014, 8:01 pm
#336
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I don't mind climbing over others (I'm 6'1") as any J seat still beats any seat in Y, i.e. speaking as an upgrader who will never be able to buy J.
Apr 6, 2014, 8:03 pm
#337
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On the whole I actually find the pmCO seats to be roughly comparable in comfort and utility to the 772 NGBC seats. One problem not often reported is the former seat's voracious appetite for eating loose wires, seat belt sections, and pretty much anything else it can grab when you're repositioning it, which I hardly ever see with other UA or AA seats.
Apr 7, 2014, 7:15 am
#338
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While disappointing, I do think not wiring the bird for AVOD makes sense financially. Maybe it will also allow them to really rush through this refurb process too?
Apr 7, 2014, 9:45 am
#339
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Very, very disappointing choice.
AA must have :
1 - Run out of money after excellent 77W seat
2 - Got US creeping in and steering the choice towards the cheapest possible one
This seats are impossible to fly for anyone taller then 1.80. I am 1.92 and I can't fit. Shoulder space is also terrible, you lay on the floor in flat mode and if you have large feet - forget about fitting those into the hole they supposed to go.
I guess that 77W was one of those rare and bright exceptions that just confirm the rule - stay away from all American airlines if you want anything decent. A shame, really.
Regards,
El Puerco Volante.
AA must have :
1 - Run out of money after excellent 77W seat
2 - Got US creeping in and steering the choice towards the cheapest possible one
This seats are impossible to fly for anyone taller then 1.80. I am 1.92 and I can't fit. Shoulder space is also terrible, you lay on the floor in flat mode and if you have large feet - forget about fitting those into the hole they supposed to go.
I guess that 77W was one of those rare and bright exceptions that just confirm the rule - stay away from all American airlines if you want anything decent. A shame, really.
Regards,
El Puerco Volante.
Apr 7, 2014, 10:33 am
#341
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I guess you meant "reverse herringbone" or we are talking about different airlines 
Preferences are individual, of course. But one thing is preferring one layout to a different one and another is being offered a seat where people can not fit at all
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El Puerco Volante.
Preferences are individual, of course. But one thing is preferring one layout to a different one and another is being offered a seat where people can not fit at all
Regards,
El Puerco Volante.
Apr 7, 2014, 11:00 am
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Apr 7, 2014, 12:45 pm
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I thought it was actually that AA was intentionally avoiding spending too much money on seats that were only a temporary replacement measure?
Apr 7, 2014, 1:05 pm
#344
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Often this is how it works - excellent FF and terrible airline or the opposite. Look as SQ or EK for example. Excellent product but bad FF. US airlines used to be the opposite - excellent FF and terrible rest. Now that UA and DL ruined the FF programs AA is the only standing one. Guess it won't last long neither
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Apr 7, 2014, 1:08 pm
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