what is "crew refusal" ? (xld flight)
Jun 24, 2008, 10:40 pm
#16
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[QUOTE"...
THE ONLY THING A UNION GUARANTEES YOU IS A BILL!!!
--PP[/QUOTE]
And a place on the recall list when furloughed.
THE ONLY THING A UNION GUARANTEES YOU IS A BILL!!!
--PP[/QUOTE]
And a place on the recall list when furloughed.
Jun 25, 2008, 5:53 am
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i don't think he is daft at all. don't read a history book read a newspaper.
Jun 25, 2008, 6:35 am
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Unions are not needed in America today with the regulations we have in place for work safety and minimum wage. Unions drive up costs, decrease customer service, and just annoy me.
If you are that unhappy with your job, find a new one. If you can't find one that pays you what you want, YOU ARE NOT WORTH WHAT YOU WANT!
Jun 25, 2008, 7:49 am
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Jun 25, 2008, 7:56 am
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It's always going to be like that. The union preaches "unity" but in reality it's only unity among the most senior. However, isn't that the same mentality in most workplaces? When does the most senior guy making the most money ever sacrifice his job to save the newbie?
Jun 25, 2008, 8:10 am
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It's always going to be like that. The union preaches "unity" but in reality it's only unity among the most senior. However, isn't that the same mentality in most workplaces? When does the most senior guy making the most money ever sacrifice his job to save the newbie?
Jun 25, 2008, 9:16 am
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Jun 25, 2008, 9:23 am
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Happens all the time. Look at the many examples over the last 30 years when a company cuts back. Often, early retirement is offered which many senior employees participate in. The reason why they are in a position to consider this option is the wage, benefit, retirement package that has been negotiated between labor and management. Try taking early retirement from Walmart - of course, making next to nothing and nothing is close to the same.
Jun 25, 2008, 12:44 pm
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Happens all the time. Look at the many examples over the last 30 years when a company cuts back. Often, early retirement is offered which many senior employees participate in. The reason why they are in a position to consider this option is the wage, benefit, retirement package that has been negotiated between labor and management. Try taking early retirement from Walmart - of course, making next to nothing and nothing is close to the same.
Just because someone works in retail and WANTS more money, doesn't mean they are WORTH more money. Welcome to real life. Remember the AFMA at NW? How much are those guys worth today? They, too, got a harsh dose of reality.
In fact, prudent non-union companies frequently offer early retirement/buyouts. So does WN. The problem isn't necessarily unions - it's the entitlement mentality perpetrated by some unions. Their days are coming to an end because they aren't able to deliver most of the time. Heck, around here there are non-union grocery clerks doing better than those in the union.
Jun 25, 2008, 12:48 pm
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Union is representative and all members have a voice and process to provide direction. Personally, I don't want mediocre pay that will attract mediocre employees - especially pilots in command. I'd rather have fewer, better paid employees.
Jun 25, 2008, 12:53 pm
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It's always going to be like that. The union preaches "unity" but in reality it's only unity among the most senior. However, isn't that the same mentality in most workplaces? When does the most senior guy making the most money ever sacrifice his job to save the newbie?
Jun 25, 2008, 12:57 pm
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Who's better off:
- the Wal*Mart employee who can fire its employer and go work at Safeway anytime and paid according to his accumulated skills and experience
- the unionized airline employee who could never get a job at another airline for the same amount of money, as they would be forced at the bottom of the pay rank no matter how good they are
Jun 25, 2008, 1:32 pm
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And FYI, none of my clients are union.
I don't know of any SALES organizations that are unionized except auto salesmen in San Francisco (there's a surprise
). I can speak from first hand experience (my father owned delerships), mediocrity was the norm.
Jun 25, 2008, 4:45 pm
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For a minute there I thought I clicked into OMNI by mistake. 