ARCHIVE: Airbus A321 Transcon / A321T / "32B" 3 class (consolidated 2012-2014)
Jun 9, 2014, 9:45 pm
#1576
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I am very curious to see how the B6 product plays out. It looks like an amazing hard product, assuming we believe what they've said about the quality of materials and padding etc. Their layout of the 321T really seems like the ideal configuration.
There is no way B6 will be competitive with soft product and ground services. No lounges, etc. I don't even think they are claiming the food with be an F product. But the seats should be pretty impressive. And the suites are unique.
There is no way B6 will be competitive with soft product and ground services. No lounges, etc. I don't even think they are claiming the food with be an F product. But the seats should be pretty impressive. And the suites are unique.
Jun 9, 2014, 9:51 pm
#1577
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B6 is not selling F, but a J product (and it's coded that way in the GDS). Yet even so, while they don't have lounges and we don't know how they are going to execute premium check-in and security lines, they have definitely set the expectations up to have solid onboard soft product, including food (and B6 flight attendants are much more consistent in their service than AA's):
Source: http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix....cle&ID=1859952
[Edited to add] Jaunted has the full scoop on the actual service with pictures at http://www.jaunted.com/story/2013/10...Full+Food+Menu. It will be 100% dine on demand, when you want, as often as you want and yes, they will have an espresso machine onboard! ^
Source: http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix....cle&ID=1859952
[Edited to add] Jaunted has the full scoop on the actual service with pictures at http://www.jaunted.com/story/2013/10...Full+Food+Menu. It will be 100% dine on demand, when you want, as often as you want and yes, they will have an espresso machine onboard! ^
Jun 10, 2014, 7:29 am
#1578
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: LGA, JFK, LAX, SFO
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Got the chance to experience both J and F on the new 321T yesterday.
The first flight was in J...AA #33 JFK - LAX. Couldn't complain about a thing. The service was outstanding from start to finish. I found the food and presentation to be a step above the normal domestic food offerings. The seat was very comfortable and if you're sitting in a window and need to get up there is plenty of room to pass in front of the person next to you. Will be flying this again very soon.
Second flight was in F...AA #256 LAX - JFK. I read in a previous post about some catering mishaps on these flights and unfortunately it happened on this flight as well. The inbound was about 30 minutes late so everyone was rushing to get out on time, but catering had forgotten to include glassware and silverware for first so we had to wait while catering searched around for the missing items. Sadly no PDB of any kind. Once airborne the 2 flight attendants couldn't seem to shake the catering issues as they were constantly forgetting or missing things...All with a pleasant smile though. I actually found the J seat to be far more comfortable despite the nice solo privacy of the F seat. Service was attentive and friendly...however one flight attendant spoke incredibly loudly in the galley while we were descending, so loudly in fact I heard about her last divorce and how she dealt it. Lol.
Overall I was impressed, but from the sounds of it LAX needs to get their catering issues sorted out.
The first flight was in J...AA #33 JFK - LAX. Couldn't complain about a thing. The service was outstanding from start to finish. I found the food and presentation to be a step above the normal domestic food offerings. The seat was very comfortable and if you're sitting in a window and need to get up there is plenty of room to pass in front of the person next to you. Will be flying this again very soon.
Second flight was in F...AA #256 LAX - JFK. I read in a previous post about some catering mishaps on these flights and unfortunately it happened on this flight as well. The inbound was about 30 minutes late so everyone was rushing to get out on time, but catering had forgotten to include glassware and silverware for first so we had to wait while catering searched around for the missing items. Sadly no PDB of any kind. Once airborne the 2 flight attendants couldn't seem to shake the catering issues as they were constantly forgetting or missing things...All with a pleasant smile though. I actually found the J seat to be far more comfortable despite the nice solo privacy of the F seat. Service was attentive and friendly...however one flight attendant spoke incredibly loudly in the galley while we were descending, so loudly in fact I heard about her last divorce and how she dealt it. Lol.
Overall I was impressed, but from the sounds of it LAX needs to get their catering issues sorted out.
Jun 10, 2014, 8:13 am
#1579
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I've been lucky on these flights. 5 segments so far and all 5 have been upgraded. My boss hasn't had as good luck though between NY-LA-NY. Must be because my trips have been around weekend travel.
Jun 10, 2014, 8:28 am
#1580
Join Date: Oct 2009
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I have four left on this plane for the month, two paid premium, two Y. One of my Y flights is a Monday morning flight, which is looking like a no-go right now. I'm using a SWU which may give me a slight edge, but it's close to full in J and even half full in F, so really tricky. My other one is a Saturday evening on a B fare, that looks easy. I'd say your observation is pretty much correct.
It's not entirely unexpected. I did Saturday night SFO-JFK red-eyes less than 2/3 full in J on the 762s, before they took the flight out completely. I don't think anyone is going to be too surprised this is how it's playing out. Even with close to half the capacity in Y on the new planes, fares are obviously high and even in Y there's going to be a high-ish percentage of elite travelers relative to the 762. When J and F sell decently, upgrades will be tough.
It's not entirely unexpected. I did Saturday night SFO-JFK red-eyes less than 2/3 full in J on the 762s, before they took the flight out completely. I don't think anyone is going to be too surprised this is how it's playing out. Even with close to half the capacity in Y on the new planes, fares are obviously high and even in Y there's going to be a high-ish percentage of elite travelers relative to the 762. When J and F sell decently, upgrades will be tough.
Jun 10, 2014, 4:23 pm
#1581
Join Date: Apr 2013
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In fact I don't even think I've ever heard of J being more comfortable than F on any airline on the same aircraft E.g, SQ 77W J might be better than an older style 772 regional F but on the same airline and same aircraft, usually F is always better.
Jun 10, 2014, 5:24 pm
#1582
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I agree. I recently flew F going and J returning. I much prefer the J seat. In fact I changed an award F reservation for next year from F to J after that experience.
Jun 10, 2014, 5:30 pm
#1583
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Wow this is surprising. Does anyone else share this view ?
In fact I don't even think I've ever heard of J being more comfortable than F on any airline on the same aircraft E.g, SQ 77W J might be better than an older style 772 regional F but on the same airline and same aircraft, usually F is always better.
In fact I don't even think I've ever heard of J being more comfortable than F on any airline on the same aircraft E.g, SQ 77W J might be better than an older style 772 regional F but on the same airline and same aircraft, usually F is always better.
For me the privacy of the seat and cabin wins over everything else here. I'm sure that is the thinking, is that the target for this product, be it entertainment personality or CxO, will value the privacy of this layout over everything else. There is no real seclusion to the J cabin, in the F cabin you kinda have to lean into the seat to see and communicate with people there.
EDIT: I am NOT a typical target for the seat
Jun 15, 2014, 6:44 am
#1584
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have recently done a LAX - JFK return on the 321T and very much enjoyed it.
very private, good service (there were only 5 / 6 of us on the flights I was on) and I liked the seat both for watching films, eating and sleeping.
a few pics in case others are curious:
very private, good service (there were only 5 / 6 of us on the flights I was on) and I liked the seat both for watching films, eating and sleeping.
a few pics in case others are curious:
Jun 15, 2014, 8:46 am
#1585
Join Date: Jan 2014
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surprised people prefer J seat to F seat. you get quite a bit more personal space in F and its obviously much more private. hoping to keep my Y-less streak on these birds going later this month...
Jun 17, 2014, 2:53 am
#1586
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Was looking around at some MIA-LAS flights and noticed a 32B two-class configuration on the first flight of the day (#1375). Looks like it will start on September 1st.
Jun 17, 2014, 5:03 am
#1588
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Jun 17, 2014, 11:42 am
#1589
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Change in allocation of in-advance milesAAver being reported:
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....nscon-flights/
Another not-so-positive sign for the longevity of this configuration.
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....nscon-flights/
Another not-so-positive sign for the longevity of this configuration.
Jun 17, 2014, 11:47 am
#1590
Join Date: May 2004
Location: LAX
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Change in allocation of in-advance milesAAver being reported:
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....nscon-flights/
Another not-so-positive sign for the longevity of this configuration.
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....nscon-flights/
Another not-so-positive sign for the longevity of this configuration.
http://lenticulartravel.com/book-first-class-on-a321t/
I'm in NY right now and was going through all the options - I noticed
Tue and Sat availability a couple of days ago.
Unfortunately as I mentioned that several time in my post, I agree with JonNYC,
it's probably gonna be gone soon
