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Old Sep 22, 2015, 6:57 pm
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Pope Francis Flying AA9420 Chartered 772 WAS-JFK-PHL-CIA

The Pope flies in a normal commercial airliner chartered for his flights. Normally the outbound airline is Alitalia, the return an airline selected as much as possible to be the national or "flag" carrier of the country returning from.

On this trip, an Alitalia Airbus A330-202 (EI-EJG, c/n 1123, "Raffaello Sanzio" (painter of late Renaissance Popes) was used FCO-HAV-HOG-SCU-ADW, an American Airlines Boeing 777-223ER will supply the onward/return aircraft (probably selected because it has the first class Flagship Suite for the overnight flight) for ADW-JFK-PHL-FCO, with a USMC helicopter providing JFK-JRB-JFK service.

The AA aircraft used, at least WAS/ADW-JFK-PHL, is Boeing 777-223ER N776AN (c/n 29582) a pre-CIP 77A. The flight number AA9420 is being used throughout. See tracking here.

Francis is to be accompanied by approximately thirty staff in his seguito, typically consisting of "the Cardinal Secretary of State, Pietro Parolin; one or two other cardinals and bishops; ~10 priests, most of them officials of the Secretariat of State; and ~20 laity, most employees of the Vatican Press Office as well as plainclothes agents of the Vatican security service and the Swiss Guard."

The passengers and crew will number about 110 during this trip. The Pope and his seguito take up F and C. The accompanying ~70 journalists pay the cost of the charter by paying for their fares, and sit in Economy class. The seventy reporters must fly the entire trip, FCO-HAV-HOG-SCU-ADW-JFK-PHL-FCO are said to be paying $5,500 each, $385,000 total. (From cruxnow.com); only the Pope and select company will do the portion of the JFK-JRB-JFK portion of the trip which is being conducted by USMC helicopters.

Though he rode a Fiat into the city of Washington, according to Business Journal International Limousine Service will be providing transportation for His Holiness and his entourage in all U.S. three cities.

Though "goody bags" are no longer handed out, it is said the members of the VAMP, Vatican press corps, do get to keep the Papal seat headers covers used for the charter flights.


Papal emblem seat head rest cover

Pope Francis' flight schedule

Saturday, September 19, 2015
10:35 a.m. Pope Francis departs FCO AZ A330-202 EI-EJB to HAV
3:51 pm.m. Papal aircraft lands at HAV / José Martí international airport
Monday, September 21, 2015
8 a.m. Departure by air for Holguin, Cuba.
9.20 a.m. Arrival at HOG / Holguin Frank País International Airport
4.40p.m. Departure by air for Santiago de Cuba.
5.30 p.m. Arrival at SCU / Santiago de Cuba’s Antonio Maceo International Airport
Tuesday, September 22, 2015
12:30 p.m. Leaves SCU / Santiago de Cuba aboard Alitalia charter A330-202
4 p.m. Pope Francis arrives in D.C. at Joint Base Andrews at 4 p.m.
Thursday, September 24, 2015 AA9420
4 p.m Departure for New York from Joint Base Andrews (D.C.)
5 p.m. Arrival at JFK / John F. Kennedy International Airport (New York)
Saturday, September 26, 2015 AA9420
8:40 a.m Departure for PHL / Philadelphia from JFK / John F. Kennedy International Airport
9:30 a.m Arrival in Atlantic Aviation hangar at PHL / Philadelphia International Airport Philadelphia
8 p.m Departure for return to Rome CIA
Sunday, September 27, 2015 AA9420
09:57 a.m. Arrival CIA / Ciampino international airport
All times local time; subject to change

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Old Sep 25, 2015, 12:26 pm
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Or an engineer, security or...
Not likely right as he stepped foot on the plane. And security would be, and was, dressed more appropriately.
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Not likely right as he stepped foot on the plane. And security would be, and was, dressed more appropriately.
Did he escort the luncheon hot dogs?

Doug Parker is often seen with jacket, and most often wearing a tie.
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I remember a flyertalk post or news article that the prior Pope had the entire F section of the plane removed and replaced with just one seat. Anyone have a link?
This is all I could find on that. Is this what you were thinking of?
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Pope Francis to Fly AA charter WAS (ADW)-JFK, JFK-PHL, PHL-FCO

So we know the aircraft - anyone know what seat he sat in? Some businessperson will be sitting in that seat in a few days...
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So we know the aircraft - anyone know what seat he sat in? Some businessperson will be sitting in that seat in a few days...
Looks like 1A or 2A. Surely someone here can figure out exactly which seat that window belongs to.

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Looks like 1A or 2A. Surely someone here can figure out exactly which seat that window belongs to.

Actually, looks like 1A, 3rd window and if I remember correctly there are 3 windows per seat in F. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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I wonder if the lazy NYC based FAs will offer him a PDB, or just ignore him like they do with their normal F customers.
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Spokesperson for Vatican City saying that Pope was able to see Ellis Island and Statue of Liberty from helicopter ride to JFK and that Pope was in cockpit of AA 772 while landing at PHL and was able to "help with the landing."
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[QUOTE=malexander131;25463984]Interesting tidbit, an AA 772 will take Pope Francis on his US tour and back to Europe. Wonder how far in advance his upgrade clears?


Of note though, apparently the Pope typically flies Alitalia out and the "national carrier" of the country he's visiting back. Wonder how AA was selected?

He's known as very frugal and Spirit doesn't have the range...
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AA9420
John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK – info) Scheduled: 08:40 EDT (actual) 09:10 EDT
Philadelphia Intl (KPHL – info) Scheduled: 08:50 EDT (actual) 09:44 EDT
Duration: 33 minutes
Saturday, September 26, 2015
Status Landed over 8 hours ago (track log & graph)
Aircraft Boeing 777-200 (twin-jet) (H/B772/L – photos)
Speed Filed: 398 kts (graph)
Altitude Filed: 14,000 feet (graph)
Distance Direct: 94 sm Planned: 195 sm Flown: 184 sm
Route WAVEY PLUME V139 BRIGS JIIMS2 (Decode)

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John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK – info) Scheduled: 08:40 EDT (actual) 09:10 EDT

Philadelphia Intl (KPHL – info) Scheduled: 08:50 EDT (actual) 09:44 EDT

Duration: 33 minutes
Saturday, September 26, 2015
Status Landed over 8 hours ago (track log & graph)
Aircraft Boeing 777-200 (twin-jet) (H/B772/L – photos)
Speed Filed: 398 kts (graph)
Altitude Filed: 14,000 feet (graph)
Distance Direct: 94 sm Planned: 195 sm Flown: 184 sm
Route WAVEY PLUME V139 BRIGS JIIMS2 (Decode)



Wow. Why such a out of the way route? Is this the first and only time PHL has seen a AA 772?
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Wow. Why such a out of the way route? Is this the first and only time PHL has seen a AA 772?
I'm guessing ATC routing reasons.

Imagine the inefficiency of those RR engines at 14,000 MSL and below.
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Here's a link to an awesome video of the Pope receiving an in-flight cockpit tour while flying JFK-PHL yesterday:
http://www.nytimes.com/video/multime...pal-plane.html

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Parker No Tie?

Was thatDoug Parker at the door of the 777 which is taking the Pope back to Rome? He was the ONLY one in casual clothes. He could not wear a tie? What an unprofessional presentation. Was he trying to make a statement?
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Have a link?

I thought the Pope had his own Alitalia plane, I believe he arrived in the US with that.

I did see pics of an AA plane taking him from NYC to Philadelphia. I found that strange.

edit: I see in the other FT thread the Pope takes a national carrier back, interesting, never knew that!

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