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Dec 27, 2013, 5:17 pm
#346
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I haven't seen any specifics on the terms of this divestiture, but I would be very surprised if the EU agreement allowed it to be sold to another Oneworld carrier. If they did then BA is clearly the logical buyer. In that case, then BA would just be stepping into US's shoes and almost nothing would change from a competition standpoint.
Dec 27, 2013, 6:30 pm
#347
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It really is a shame the SEPTA Airport Line isn't better leveraged. Not many airports have rail lines that are so convenient: get on literally a few feet from the terminal and off right downtown in 15-20 minutes. I live in Center City so taking the train makes sense for me, but I really noticed last night riding home from the airport how poor a job the airport and SEPTA do in making it an attractive option (especially for visitors). There are no ticket machines at the stations and passengers must pay with cash on board. I heard a conductor barking at a German man who was trying to pay with a credit card (I know I certainly don't have a wad of Euros in my wallet the minute I get off the plane in Germany; I'm sure he didn't have any dollars yet either). 20 minute head ways and ticket machines at the stations would do wonders, I think.
Dec 27, 2013, 8:51 pm
#348
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Dec 30, 2013, 8:49 am
#349
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AA is now using US gates at DCA. Pulled in to gate 24 last night and also noticed an AA aircraft parked at gate 26. Prior to the merger AA's gates were 28,30, and 32-34, so it now looks like they are sharing gates when necessary at DCA.
Dec 30, 2013, 11:59 am
#350
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Will new AA fly PHL-HNL nonstop?
US tried flying CLT-HNL, but two things doomed that flight - not enough O&D in CLT and the 762 lacked the legs for the westbound flight and often had to stop in PHX for fuel.
An AA 763 could make that flight nonstop every time and the PHL area would feature more O&D to HNL.
US tried flying CLT-HNL, but two things doomed that flight - not enough O&D in CLT and the 762 lacked the legs for the westbound flight and often had to stop in PHX for fuel.
An AA 763 could make that flight nonstop every time and the PHL area would feature more O&D to HNL.
Dec 30, 2013, 1:08 pm
#351
Join Date: Nov 2013
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I really doubt it, but I would love to see AA return to BOS-SFO instead of having to use B6. One can dream.
Last edited by mzrn; Dec 30, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Dec 30, 2013, 1:45 pm
#352
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Will new AA fly PHL-HNL nonstop?
US tried flying CLT-HNL, but two things doomed that flight - not enough O&D in CLT and the 762 lacked the legs for the westbound flight and often had to stop in PHX for fuel.
An AA 763 could make that flight nonstop every time and the PHL area would feature more O&D to HNL.
US tried flying CLT-HNL, but two things doomed that flight - not enough O&D in CLT and the 762 lacked the legs for the westbound flight and often had to stop in PHX for fuel.
An AA 763 could make that flight nonstop every time and the PHL area would feature more O&D to HNL.
Furthermore, I highly doubt there's enough O&D or even connecting traffic to fill a 763 from PHL-HNL. The Caribbean is so much easier to get to than HI and a lot cheaper. Yes, its not the same, but it's close enough that the cost and distance push more people south instead of west. Also, there aren't that many places where it would make more sense to connect through PHL than it would to connect through DFW or the West Coast. If AA can't make a nonstop from ORD to HNL work, its highly unlikely that PHL could support such a flight.
I could see them potentially upgauging an LAX or PHX flight, or even adding a DFW frequency depending on what the domestic feed into those airports looks like further into the merger (although I think an upgauge at LAX would be at the cost of frequency) before they contemplate adding PHL-HNL. HI is far more popular for O&D passengers from those cities than the Caribbean (maybe not DFW) and it makes more sense to funnel in those from the East Coast to those cities to join their O&D traffic than flying nonstop from the east. Still, using an internationally-configured widebody on any HNL flight where a 757 can make the trip is not going to be super cost-effective.
Dec 31, 2013, 4:57 pm
#353
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Location: WAS
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Charlotte doesn't get much nonstop long-haul international traffic. From DOT, here's a list of total enplanements on nonstop routes to Europe and South America between 1/1/2013 and 6/20/3013:
To put this in perspective, these 226,235 international enplanements represent only 2.3% of CLT's 10,009,726 enplanements between January and June 2013.
I also pulled all Charlotte domestic traffic on Star Alliance and One World carriers, including US/UA/AA-affiliated regional carriers. By my count, roughly 29% of Charlotte's total OW/*A traffic - including both O&D and connecting passengers - comes from airports for which Charlotte is arguably more convenient than, or as convenient as, any other US/AA hub for many connections. This data covers 1/1/2013 to 9/30/2013:
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Destination Pax Weekly Avg Frankfurt, Germany 64,146 2,495 Munich, Germany 42,148 1,639 London, United King 40,498 1,575 Rio de Janeiro, Bra 25,672 998 Paris, France 18,799 731 Rome, Italy 15,966 621 Dublin, Ireland 8,835 344 Madrid, Spain 7,077 275 Sao Paulo, Brazil 2,872 112 Barcelona, Spain 222 9
I also pulled all Charlotte domestic traffic on Star Alliance and One World carriers, including US/UA/AA-affiliated regional carriers. By my count, roughly 29% of Charlotte's total OW/*A traffic - including both O&D and connecting passengers - comes from airports for which Charlotte is arguably more convenient than, or as convenient as, any other US/AA hub for many connections. This data covers 1/1/2013 to 9/30/2013:
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Airport Passengers Orlando, FL 396,049 Atlanta, GA 296,047 Raleigh/Durham, NC 278,490 Jacksonville, FL 203,656 Norfolk, VA 170,825 Richmond, VA 170,221 Nashville, TN 168,789 Charleston, SC 157,661 Wilmington, NC 147,132 Greensboro/High Point, 144,228 Savannah, GA 131,090 Myrtle Beach, SC 129,156 Memphis, TN 110,074 Birmingham, AL 100,148 Louisville, KY 97,004 Knoxville, TN 92,779 Asheville, NC 85,012 Greer, SC 81,219 Roanoke, VA 73,289 Newport News/Williamsb 71,523 Jacksonville/Camp Leje 71,518 Fayetteville, NC 71,418 Augusta, GA 65,616 Columbia, SC 64,874 Charlottesville, VA 63,082 New Bern/Morehead/Beau 60,172 Huntsville, AL 59,674 Lexington, KY 58,791 Lynchburg, VA 57,325 Chattanooga, TN 50,445 Bristol/Johnson City/K 47,101 Florence, SC 44,521 Hilton Head, SC 44,059 Greenville, NC 42,747 Charleston/Dunbar, WV 42,170 Tallahassee, FL 41,919 Mobile, AL 33,275 White Plains, NY 28,802 Gulfport/Biloxi, MS 27,636 Ashland, WV 26,511 Montgomery, AL 19,161 Subtotal 4,125,209 CLT Total Enplanements 14,094,085
Last edited by jbsay; Dec 31, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Dec 31, 2013, 5:34 pm
#354
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That data is somewhat skewed. The international traffic is from 1/01 to 6/20. Whereas the domestic figures run until the end of September. Moreover, a lot of the summer seasonal flights to Europe from Charlotte don't start until the end of May/early June.
Dec 31, 2013, 6:23 pm
#355
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: WAS
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Fair point. I ran the data again using 2012 stats, which encompass the whole year. 467,786 of CLT's 19,328,707 total enplanements were on long-haul international flights, or 2.42% of the total. CLT also accounted for 0.92% of the 51,049,899 long-haul international enplanements at U.S. airports in 2012.
Dec 31, 2013, 6:41 pm
#356
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2 things I take from these stats
1 - I can't believe Atlanta is # 2
2 - I can't imagine AA without CLT hub - it amazes me how much traffic small towns like Fayetteville, NC and Athens, GA send through CLT.
1 - I can't believe Atlanta is # 2
2 - I can't imagine AA without CLT hub - it amazes me how much traffic small towns like Fayetteville, NC and Athens, GA send through CLT.
Charlotte doesn't get much nonstop long-haul international traffic. From DOT, here's a list of total enplanements on nonstop routes to Europe and South America between 1/1/2013 and 6/20/3013:
To put this in perspective, these 226,235 international enplanements represent only 2.3% of CLT's 10,009,726 enplanements between January and June 2013.
I also pulled all Charlotte domestic traffic on Star Alliance and One World carriers, including US/UA/AA-affiliated regional carriers. By my count, roughly 29% of Charlotte's traffic - including both O&D and connecting passengers - comes from airports for which Charlotte is arguably more convenient than, or as convenient as, any other US/AA hub for many connections. This data covers 1/1/2013 to 9/30/2013:
Code:
Destination Pax Weekly Avg Frankfurt, Germany 64,146 2,495 Munich, Germany 42,148 1,639 London, United King 40,498 1,575 Rio de Janeiro, Bra 25,672 998 Paris, France 18,799 731 Rome, Italy 15,966 621 Dublin, Ireland 8,835 344 Madrid, Spain 7,077 275 Sao Paulo, Brazil 2,872 112 Barcelona, Spain 222 9
I also pulled all Charlotte domestic traffic on Star Alliance and One World carriers, including US/UA/AA-affiliated regional carriers. By my count, roughly 29% of Charlotte's traffic - including both O&D and connecting passengers - comes from airports for which Charlotte is arguably more convenient than, or as convenient as, any other US/AA hub for many connections. This data covers 1/1/2013 to 9/30/2013:
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Airport Passengers Orlando, FL 396,049 Atlanta, GA 296,047 Raleigh/Durham, NC 278,490 Jacksonville, FL 203,656 Norfolk, VA 170,825 Richmond, VA 170,221 Nashville, TN 168,789 Charleston, SC 157,661 Wilmington, NC 147,132 Greensboro/High Point, 144,228 Savannah, GA 131,090 Myrtle Beach, SC 129,156 Memphis, TN 110,074 Birmingham, AL 100,148 Louisville, KY 97,004 Knoxville, TN 92,779 Asheville, NC 85,012 Greer, SC 81,219 Roanoke, VA 73,289 Newport News/Williamsb 71,523 Jacksonville/Camp Leje 71,518 Fayetteville, NC 71,418 Augusta, GA 65,616 Columbia, SC 64,874 Charlottesville, VA 63,082 New Bern/Morehead/Beau 60,172 Huntsville, AL 59,674 Lexington, KY 58,791 Lynchburg, VA 57,325 Chattanooga, TN 50,445 Bristol/Johnson City/K 47,101 Florence, SC 44,521 Hilton Head, SC 44,059 Greenville, NC 42,747 Charleston/Dunbar, WV 42,170 Tallahassee, FL 41,919 Mobile, AL 33,275 White Plains, NY 28,802 Gulfport/Biloxi, MS 27,636 Ashland, WV 26,511 Montgomery, AL 19,161 Subtotal 4,125,209 CLT Total Enplanements 14,094,085
Dec 31, 2013, 7:45 pm
#357
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: WAS
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Will new AA fly PHL-HNL nonstop?
US tried flying CLT-HNL, but two things doomed that flight - not enough O&D in CLT and the 762 lacked the legs for the westbound flight and often had to stop in PHX for fuel.
An AA 763 could make that flight nonstop every time and the PHL area would feature more O&D to HNL.
US tried flying CLT-HNL, but two things doomed that flight - not enough O&D in CLT and the 762 lacked the legs for the westbound flight and often had to stop in PHX for fuel.
An AA 763 could make that flight nonstop every time and the PHL area would feature more O&D to HNL.
Jan 1, 2014, 11:06 am
#358
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Jan 1, 2014, 11:30 am
#359
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Will new AA fly PHL-HNL nonstop?
US tried flying CLT-HNL, but two things doomed that flight - not enough O&D in CLT and the 762 lacked the legs for the westbound flight and often had to stop in PHX for fuel.
An AA 763 could make that flight nonstop every time and the PHL area would feature more O&D to HNL.
US tried flying CLT-HNL, but two things doomed that flight - not enough O&D in CLT and the 762 lacked the legs for the westbound flight and often had to stop in PHX for fuel.
An AA 763 could make that flight nonstop every time and the PHL area would feature more O&D to HNL.
Based on Kirby's statements, I do expect the new AA to be much more aggressive at adding extra DFW/LAX-HNL flights during peak traffic periods. For example, US runs anywhere from 1 PHX-HNL on low-demand days to 4 PHX-HNL flights during the Christmas peak demand days. In HNL, it was interesting watching the US GA's (actually contract HA GA's) running from 1 redeye PHX-HNL flight to the next (3 total at adjacent gates in HNL).
Next Christmas, I would expect to see an evening DFW-HNL flight on peak days, returning as a late night redeye.