American Airlines Miami-To-Paris Flight Diverted To Boston
Aug 30, 2014, 3:50 pm
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All the complaints I've read about the articulating seats aren't about the articulation but the lack of padding. The new seats are also thinner, which, to my knowledge, isn't required for articulation, but was done to reduce weight and increase capacity and was probably a large part of how they justified the new seats. If somebody has read complaints about the actual recline function on these seats, please link to them in this thread.
Aug 30, 2014, 6:01 pm
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All the complaints I've read about the articulating seats aren't about the articulation but the lack of padding. The new seats are also thinner, which, to my knowledge, isn't required for articulation, but was done to reduce weight and increase capacity and was probably a large part of how they justified the new seats. If somebody has read complaints about the actual recline function on these seats, please link to them in this thread.
Aug 31, 2014, 3:53 am
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That would be quite difficult to prove. The plaintiff (passenger) would have to prove that: a) the airline provided no warning with respect to DVT (which they all do in their magazines), b) the airline deliberately prevented them from having enough space to do the recommended preventative movements (very difficult as they require little physical space to do); and c) the plaintiff did not have a medical condition that increased their risk of a DVT (even a slightly increased risk). Plaintiff would also have to prove that the airline provided no warning, that the flight actually gave them the DVT (which is enormously unlikely) and find a jury to believe the virtual army of expert witnesses pro and con. Likely, it would be an out of court settlement to get rid of the annoyance lawsuit.
Aug 31, 2014, 8:40 am
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That would be quite difficult to prove. The plaintiff (passenger) would have to prove that: a) the airline provided no warning with respect to DVT (which they all do in their magazines), b) the airline deliberately prevented them from having enough space to do the recommended preventative movements (very difficult as they require little physical space to do); and c) the plaintiff did not have a medical condition that increased their risk of a DVT (even a slightly increased risk). P
N.B.: not saying there IS a causal relationship, simply that if it's there, it will be found.
Aug 31, 2014, 12:29 pm
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Your arguments could apply equally well to (and were used by) cigarette companies; look where that got them. Yes, it's difficult to prove less legroom caused DVT in an individual, but fairly easy for a statistician to demonstrate a causal relationship among millions of flyers if there is one. In which case the airlines could end up facing a massive (and well-justified) class-action lawsuit.
N.B.: not saying there IS a causal relationship, simply that if it's there, it will be found.
N.B.: not saying there IS a causal relationship, simply that if it's there, it will be found.
Sep 1, 2014, 12:01 am
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Sep 1, 2014, 7:40 am
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Or if you don't want the person in front of you reclining into your lap just purchase an E+ or Business seat and shut up
Sep 3, 2014, 1:59 am
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If you are too cheap to cough up the extra $$$ for Y plus or J, it is your own fault if you have to suffer in tight Y. 8 out of 10 Y consumers will pick the cheapest ticket no matter what they get for it. Airlines would be stupid to offer more space without any chance to make more money.
Sep 3, 2014, 2:37 am
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A passenger who forced a plane to divert after becoming furious with a woman in front of him who had reclined her seat has been fined more than $7,000.
Edmond Alexandre, 61, became irate after a woman reclined the seat in front of him on the Miami-to-Paris flight in August last year.
A U.S. District Court in Boston heard how the man began to argue with the woman and other passengers, before chasing a flight attendant down the aisle where he 'grabbed his arm'.
The federal judge decided to impose a a $1,000 (£675) fine and restitution of $6,303 (£4,300) to American Airlines.
Edmond Alexandre, 61, became irate after a woman reclined the seat in front of him on the Miami-to-Paris flight in August last year.
A U.S. District Court in Boston heard how the man began to argue with the woman and other passengers, before chasing a flight attendant down the aisle where he 'grabbed his arm'.
The federal judge decided to impose a a $1,000 (£675) fine and restitution of $6,303 (£4,300) to American Airlines.