Sneaking into 3-class Int'l F???
Jan 27, 2013, 5:59 pm
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Jan 27, 2013, 6:02 pm
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I can see how this is plausible. He said that he showed his previous segment's BP which showed him in 2A when he boarded. Let's imagine that the purser was the one that he gave the BP to at the door, and who directed him to the FC cabin. Later, when they were getting ready to close the flight and were going over the manifest and it showed an extra passenger in F and a supposedly vacant seat 2A, the purser might say "I personally saw his boarding pass - he's supposed to be in 2A" and that's the end of it. Not likely to work every time, but it could have worked once.
Jan 27, 2013, 7:33 pm
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Jan 27, 2013, 7:37 pm
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This reminds me of a story one time at band camp...
Jan 27, 2013, 7:43 pm
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I can see how this is plausible. He said that he showed his previous segment's BP which showed him in 2A when he boarded. Let's imagine that the purser was the one that he gave the BP to at the door, and who directed him to the FC cabin. Later, when they were getting ready to close the flight and were going over the manifest and it showed an extra passenger in F and a supposedly vacant seat 2A, the purser might say "I personally saw his boarding pass - he's supposed to be in 2A" and that's the end of it. Not likely to work every time, but it could have worked once.
Unless AA attendants are completely incompetant, they should be able to notice that they have more passengers than manifested
Jan 27, 2013, 7:44 pm
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Jan 27, 2013, 7:50 pm
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Jan 28, 2013, 1:21 am
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The OP's roomie told him/her total BS.
I recently flew a short-hop domestic flight, and the F load was supposed to be 15 out of 16 available seats.
A guy in his mid 20's decided to sneak into 3E aboard a 738. First had completely seated, the out-of-place guy decided to make it obvious he shouldn't be sitting there since he didn't store any carry-on luggage in the overhead [as this is the bulkhead] and obviously couldn't/didn't store any carry-on luggage under his seat.
As we were starting to taxi, the FA's did one last headcount, and confronted the guy. They asked for his boarding pass and told him 3E was unoccupied, and that there should only be 15 people in F. The guy first responded with a belligerent "Excuse Me?" back to the flight attendant. She again asked him for his boarding pass and told him to return to his seat in Y. The guy did make the walk of shame to Y.
Also flew CUN-MIA about 8 years ago, and J was wide open. So a guy decides to sneak into 6E aboard a 738.
It was an international flight, and the J FA decides to have the captain directly talk to the guy before the door had closed. The captain informed the sneaker that he had to options:
1. Return to his seat in coach
2. Be escorted off the plane by TSA/Law Enforcement if he failed to comply with returning to his seat in coach
Neither of these flights were TATL or TPAC, and I highly doubt FA's doing TATL/TPAC don't thoroughly check the manifest.
There's zero chance your roomie "sneaked" into TATL F.
OTOH, I have witnessed people getting a complimentary on-board up-op from J to F on JFK-LHR because of space available in F, and the J pax doing a kind deed: volunteering to switch her seat with someone in J so that a separated couple could sit together.
If I were the OP I'd make sure to get a copy of the lease to make sure I wasn't overpaying rent...
I recently flew a short-hop domestic flight, and the F load was supposed to be 15 out of 16 available seats.
A guy in his mid 20's decided to sneak into 3E aboard a 738. First had completely seated, the out-of-place guy decided to make it obvious he shouldn't be sitting there since he didn't store any carry-on luggage in the overhead [as this is the bulkhead] and obviously couldn't/didn't store any carry-on luggage under his seat.
As we were starting to taxi, the FA's did one last headcount, and confronted the guy. They asked for his boarding pass and told him 3E was unoccupied, and that there should only be 15 people in F. The guy first responded with a belligerent "Excuse Me?" back to the flight attendant. She again asked him for his boarding pass and told him to return to his seat in Y. The guy did make the walk of shame to Y.
Also flew CUN-MIA about 8 years ago, and J was wide open. So a guy decides to sneak into 6E aboard a 738.
It was an international flight, and the J FA decides to have the captain directly talk to the guy before the door had closed. The captain informed the sneaker that he had to options:
1. Return to his seat in coach
2. Be escorted off the plane by TSA/Law Enforcement if he failed to comply with returning to his seat in coach
Neither of these flights were TATL or TPAC, and I highly doubt FA's doing TATL/TPAC don't thoroughly check the manifest.
There's zero chance your roomie "sneaked" into TATL F.
OTOH, I have witnessed people getting a complimentary on-board up-op from J to F on JFK-LHR because of space available in F, and the J pax doing a kind deed: volunteering to switch her seat with someone in J so that a separated couple could sit together.
If I were the OP I'd make sure to get a copy of the lease to make sure I wasn't overpaying rent...
Jan 28, 2013, 1:31 am
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I can see how this is plausible. He said that he showed his previous segment's BP which showed him in 2A when he boarded. Let's imagine that the purser was the one that he gave the BP to at the door, and who directed him to the FC cabin. Later, when they were getting ready to close the flight and were going over the manifest and it showed an extra passenger in F and a supposedly vacant seat 2A, the purser might say "I personally saw his boarding pass - he's supposed to be in 2A" and that's the end of it. Not likely to work every time, but it could have worked once.
Jan 28, 2013, 1:34 am
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A friend of mine is a FA for DL, he does international only, he had someone sneak into BE cabin, he knew who it was, he approached the man and asked how he would like to pay for his seat, by CC or miles. Needless to say the guy got up and went back to Y, he was seated in the last row of BE. My friend says it happens a lot, but there are so many checks and balances for this not to happen. He usually checks with the GA first, then has a Y FA do a head count in Y.
Jan 28, 2013, 3:38 am
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It seems uncommon for many crews to even acknowledge EPs in coach, much less come through for a general headcount of the entire cabin. Come to think, same for lap children who end up being accommodated in an empty seat; that'd throw off the count, too, but in over 25 years of flying AA I haven't ever seen that brought up by the crew.
I've seen it on AE, but never on AA.
Jan 28, 2013, 3:53 am
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Aside from being a braggart, exaggerator, and a limit-pusher, one of my roommates is also an EXP on AA. He flies quite a bit, and often brags about his ever-growing insight on working the system. Most of the stuff he brags about is plausible, but he brought something up to me that's little more than dubious: he claims that he sneaked into 3-class F on an ORD-LHR flight.
Who is he trying to impress more, you or himself?
Either way, here's the response I'm going with.
Jan 28, 2013, 4:02 am
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Not a great analogy. At sporting events they will often let people come down to better seats at the end of the game because the home team broadcast would prefer to show fans in those areas than empty seats.
A better example would be sneaking into a club seating area which features free food and an open bar, and partaking of both. That's not going to be allowed.
A better example would be sneaking into a club seating area which features free food and an open bar, and partaking of both. That's not going to be allowed.
Depriving someone of their property is clearly theft. There's much less agreement about unauthorized use, where the owner still has the property and is only deprived of what the owner wanted you to pay. For example, many more people believe stealing a CD is theft than believe downloading an mp3 is theft.
Jan 28, 2013, 7:24 am
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Do they really count the heads in Y?
It seems uncommon for many crews to even acknowledge EPs in coach, much less come through for a general headcount of the entire cabin. Come to think, same for lap children who end up being accommodated in an empty seat; that'd throw off the count, too, but in over 25 years of flying AA I haven't ever seen that brought up by the crew.
I've seen it on AE, but never on AA.
It seems uncommon for many crews to even acknowledge EPs in coach, much less come through for a general headcount of the entire cabin. Come to think, same for lap children who end up being accommodated in an empty seat; that'd throw off the count, too, but in over 25 years of flying AA I haven't ever seen that brought up by the crew.
I've seen it on AE, but never on AA.