Something happen to class-of-service bonus? (<500-mile flight)
Dec 21, 2012, 12:58 pm
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You are right, it was 1,125. But it was routinely awarded.
Dec 21, 2012, 1:01 pm
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The calculation of COS before min miles was in place back in 2000 ; it is when I started doing 439 mile flights in business
Dec 21, 2012, 1:06 pm
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The bonus was also awarded on Iberia flights. It seems your experience was different to mine.
Dec 21, 2012, 1:10 pm
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What the OP is experiencing is exactly what I would expect and is consistent with calculations for a long time back
I remember well the 1st time I did the 439 miles in business expecting to get 625 miles as a gold member but only getting 549 miles and getting AA to detail how the calculation was done
Dec 21, 2012, 1:27 pm
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Sounds like we have it not quite right on this other wiki page, too:
http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index...oints_%28AA%29
I suppose we've never analyzed an example where the miles flown were <500 for paid F.
http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index...oints_%28AA%29
4. Calculate the number of RDM you will earn for each qualifying segment based on miles flown, booking class, and elite status. First calculate your base RDM at 1.0 RDM per mile flown, subject to the 500-mile minimum for elites only. Second, calculate any Class-of-Service Bonus RDM based on miles flown. Third, calculate any Elite Bonus RDM based on base RDM. Add the three figures to arrive at your Total RDM.
I suppose we've never analyzed an example where the miles flown were <500 for paid F.
I have taken quite a few flights < 500 miles in paid premium fares and this is not a recent change; it was working this way for a long time
Where the flight is 334-499 miles in 1st or 401-499 miles or more in busines then the calculation is base plus COS will exceed 500 but the base miles for calculating Gold or higher status bonuses will be on the 500
e.g. 439 mile flight ( which is one I have done a lot in business )
Base 439
COS bonus for business 110
Earning for a regular member 549 . Back when normal members did get a min mile guarantee, the total earning for this would still be 549 since 549 > 500
For a Gold or higher member, the bonus for is applied on the base/min miles ( excluding any COS ). Miles flown 439, so bonus applied on min which is 500
Gold member then earns 125 bonus and Platinum earns 500
Total for gold would be 549+125 = 674
Total for Platinum would be 1049
Where the flight is 334-499 miles in 1st or 401-499 miles or more in busines then the calculation is base plus COS will exceed 500 but the base miles for calculating Gold or higher status bonuses will be on the 500
e.g. 439 mile flight ( which is one I have done a lot in business )
Base 439
COS bonus for business 110
Earning for a regular member 549 . Back when normal members did get a min mile guarantee, the total earning for this would still be 549 since 549 > 500
For a Gold or higher member, the bonus for is applied on the base/min miles ( excluding any COS ). Miles flown 439, so bonus applied on min which is 500
Gold member then earns 125 bonus and Platinum earns 500
Total for gold would be 549+125 = 674
Total for Platinum would be 1049
Dec 21, 2012, 1:29 pm
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I think we already correctly have in the wiki that COS is calculated based solely on miles flown, before min miles. I think where it's inaccurate is that it indicates that COS is totaled up in addition to min miles ("Add the three figures..."), which you are saying is not the case, right? What you're saying is that min miles applies AFTER the COS bonus. Thus, in your case, you get 549 + elite bonus instead of 610 + elite bonus.
IF the total is < 500 , then the min mileage guarantee is applied which brings it to 500
It is only the bonus for holding status which is applied after the minimum mileage guarantee is applied which is applied on the base miles or 500, whichever is higher
COS bonus is applied before determining whether the minimum miles have been earned
for a 200 mile flight
200 base plus 100 for first = 300 . Since 300 < 500 , then award 500. Then calculate 25% or 100% of 500
200 base plus 50 for business = 250 . Since 300 < 500 , then award 500. Then calculate 25% or 100% of 500
In both cases a member with Gold status will earn 625 and a platinum member will earn 1000
for a 360 mile flight
360 base plus 180 for first = 540 . Since 540 exceeds 500, then 540 is awarded. Then calculate 25% or 100% of higher of base/min miles. The min miles is 500, so calculate 25% or 100% of 500.
Total earned for Gold is 540+125 = 665 .
Total earned for platinum is 1040
360 base plus 90 for business = 450 . Since 450 < 500 , then award 500. Then calculate 25% or 100% of 500
In this case a member with Gold status will earn 625 and a platinum member will earn 1000
for a 400 mile flight
400 base plus 200 for first = 600 . Since 600 exceeds 500 , 600 is awarded. Then calculate 25% or 100% of 500
400 base plus 100 for business = 500. Since 500 = 500, 500 is awarded. Then calculate 25% or 100% of 500
Last edited by Dave Noble; Dec 21, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Dec 21, 2012, 1:42 pm
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Thanks, Dave Noble, I will update the wiki.
I do think this is a change for partners at least. I just looked back at the last time I flew paid J on BA in 2008:
That is a 44-mile 176-mile flight , and there was no elite bonus on BA flights at that time, so the 25% COS bonus was clearly applied after the 500-mile minimum (which at the time was multiplied by the fare class multiplier = 1.0 for J), and not before - otherwise the COS bonus would have been 11 44 miles.
I do think this is a change for partners at least. I just looked back at the last time I flew paid J on BA in 2008:
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BRITISH AIRWAYS 2901 J MAN LGW 500 125 625
Last edited by dstan; Dec 21, 2012 at 1:52 pm Reason: corrected miles flown as per below
Dec 21, 2012, 1:45 pm
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Thanks, Dave Noble, I will update the wiki.
I do think this is a change for partners at least. I just looked back at the last time I flew paid J on BA in 2008:
That is a 44-mile flight, and there was no elite bonus on BA flights at that time, so the 25% COS bonus was clearly applied after the 500-mile minimum (which at the time was multiplied by the fare class multiplier = 1.0 for J), and not before - otherwise the COS bonus would have been 11 miles.
I do think this is a change for partners at least. I just looked back at the last time I flew paid J on BA in 2008:
Code:
BRITISH AIRWAYS 2901 J MAN LGW 500 125 625
Dec 21, 2012, 1:51 pm
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Sorry, right, I was looking at a different entry that I flew in Y to get that base mileage, but that J entry is correct as posted.
Dec 21, 2012, 2:07 pm
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The RDM awarded is subject to minimum RDM calculated based on miles flown + COS (600)
In contrast, the elite bonus (25% or 100%) is subject to minimum RDM calculated based on miles flown ONLY (500 instead of 600).
Dec 21, 2012, 2:44 pm
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Wiki updated
How is this?
http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index...nd_Points_(AA)
http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index...nd_Points_(AA)
4. Calculate the number of RDM you will earn for each qualifying segment based on miles flown, booking class, and elite status.
a. Determine miles flown
b. Calculate any Class-of-Service bonus RDM based on miles flown
c. Calculate miles flown + Class-of-Service bonus; if you are an elite, increase this total to the 500 RDM minimum
d. Calculate any Elite Bonus RDM based on miles flown excluding any Class-of-Service Bonus RDM
e. Add (c) and (d) to arrive at your Total RDM.
a. Determine miles flown
b. Calculate any Class-of-Service bonus RDM based on miles flown
c. Calculate miles flown + Class-of-Service bonus; if you are an elite, increase this total to the 500 RDM minimum
d. Calculate any Elite Bonus RDM based on miles flown excluding any Class-of-Service Bonus RDM
e. Add (c) and (d) to arrive at your Total RDM.
LAX-SFO / F / PLT
• First Class fare (F)
• 337 miles flown
• 500 EQM: 337 mi flown subject to 500 minimum EQM guarantee for elites only = 500 EQM
• 750 EQP: F fare = 1.5 EQP/EQM x 500 EQM = 750 EQP (now based on EQM instead of actual miles flown)
• 1006 RDM: 337 mi flown x 50% F bonus = 169 Class-of-Service Bonus RDM + 337 mi flown = 506 RDM; 500 minimum mi flown x 100% PLT bonus = 500 Elite Bonus RDM; 506 + 500 = 1006 RDM
• View My Miles: Mileage = 337; Bonus = 838; Total = 1006
• First Class fare (F)
• 337 miles flown
• 500 EQM: 337 mi flown subject to 500 minimum EQM guarantee for elites only = 500 EQM
• 750 EQP: F fare = 1.5 EQP/EQM x 500 EQM = 750 EQP (now based on EQM instead of actual miles flown)
• 1006 RDM: 337 mi flown x 50% F bonus = 169 Class-of-Service Bonus RDM + 337 mi flown = 506 RDM; 500 minimum mi flown x 100% PLT bonus = 500 Elite Bonus RDM; 506 + 500 = 1006 RDM
• View My Miles: Mileage = 337; Bonus = 838; Total = 1006
Dec 21, 2012, 3:18 pm
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That's the one where this gets messy and counterintuitive, at least for me.
The RDM awarded is subject to minimum RDM calculated based on miles flown + COS (600)
In contrast, the elite bonus (25% or 100%) is subject to minimum RDM calculated based on miles flown ONLY (500 instead of 600).
The RDM awarded is subject to minimum RDM calculated based on miles flown + COS (600)
In contrast, the elite bonus (25% or 100%) is subject to minimum RDM calculated based on miles flown ONLY (500 instead of 600).
The "elite" bonus is always applied to either the base miles or the minimum miles, whichever is higher. That is the same on any flight
e,g, 10,000 mile flight in business
10,000 base
5,000 COS
Total 15,000
The Elite bonus is then given on either the base (10,000) or the minimum 5000, whichever is higher. In this case 10,000 giving an elite bonus of 2,500 or 10,000
The COS is never taken into consideration as part of the base calculations for the elite bonuses
Dec 21, 2012, 3:22 pm
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How is this?
4. Calculate the number of RDM you will earn for each qualifying segment based on miles flown, booking class, and elite status.
a. Determine miles flown
b. Calculate any Class-of-Service bonus RDM based on miles flown
c. Calculate miles flown + Class-of-Service bonus; if you are an elite, increase this total to the 500 RDM minimum
d. Calculate any Elite Bonus RDM based on miles flown excluding any Class-of-Service Bonus RDM
e. Add (c) and (d) to arrive at your Total RDM.
4. Calculate the number of RDM you will earn for each qualifying segment based on miles flown, booking class, and elite status.
a. Determine miles flown
b. Calculate any Class-of-Service bonus RDM based on miles flown
c. Calculate miles flown + Class-of-Service bonus; if you are an elite, increase this total to the 500 RDM minimum
d. Calculate any Elite Bonus RDM based on miles flown excluding any Class-of-Service Bonus RDM
e. Add (c) and (d) to arrive at your Total RDM.
For d. I would say
d. Calculate Elite bonus based on the higher of "miles flown" or "500 miles" .
I think that the example given doesn't seem that clearly described for the redeemable miles and would break down the steps more clearly. I thought my description in post 21 was clearer
Last edited by Dave Noble; Dec 21, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Dec 21, 2012, 5:25 pm
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It isn't counter intuitive to me
The "elite" bonus is always applied to either the base miles or the minimum miles, whichever is higher. That is the same on any flight
e,g, 10,000 mile flight in business
10,000 base
5,000 COS
Total 15,000
The Elite bonus is then given on either the base (10,000) or the minimum 5000, whichever is higher. In this case 10,000 giving an elite bonus of 2,500 or 10,000
The COS is never taken into consideration as part of the base calculations for the elite bonuses
The "elite" bonus is always applied to either the base miles or the minimum miles, whichever is higher. That is the same on any flight
e,g, 10,000 mile flight in business
10,000 base
5,000 COS
Total 15,000
The Elite bonus is then given on either the base (10,000) or the minimum 5000, whichever is higher. In this case 10,000 giving an elite bonus of 2,500 or 10,000
The COS is never taken into consideration as part of the base calculations for the elite bonuses
What I'm trying to point out is that in one case (calculating RDM received for non-elites), the Minimum is applied with consideration of the COS bonus, while in the other case (calculating elite bonus RDM), the Minimum is applied without consideration of the COS bonus. It would be simpler if the Minimum were calculated independent of COS bonus in both cases (which apparently used to be the case for some oneworld partners).
That's why we now have a 5-step wiki protocol when it used to be a straightforward 3 steps.
Steps a-c is good
For d. I would say
d. Calculate Elite bonus based on the higher of "miles flown" or "500 miles" .
I think that the example given doesn't seem that clearly described for the redeemable miles and would break down the steps more clearly. I thought my description in post 21 was clearer
For d. I would say
d. Calculate Elite bonus based on the higher of "miles flown" or "500 miles" .
I think that the example given doesn't seem that clearly described for the redeemable miles and would break down the steps more clearly. I thought my description in post 21 was clearer
Dec 21, 2012, 7:10 pm
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Seems straightforward to me . COS is never taken into account when determining elite status bonus.
For Normal member
Step 1) To determine normal miles earned. Take base miles and multiply by COS bonus.
For an Elite member
Step 1) To determine normal miles earned. Take base miles and multiply by COS bonus.
Step 2) If result of step 1 < then apply mimimum of 500
If a Gold member
Step 3) determine bonus miles for Gold elite bonus ; take higher of Base flown or 500 whichever is higher and multiply by 0.25
Otherwise
Step 3) determine bonus miles for Gold elite bonus ; take higher of Base flown or 500 whichever is higher
Step 4 : Add result of Step 2 plus result of Step 3 to Get total redeemable miles
E.g.
Gold member flies 300 miles in business class
Step 1) 300 * 1.25 = 375
Step 2 ) 375 < 500 so apply mimimum 500
Step 3 ) 300 < 500 => bonus is 500 * 0.25 = 125
Step 4) 125 + 375 = 500
Platinum member flies 400 miles in first class
Step 1) 400 * 1.5 = 600
Step 2) 600 > 500 so keep at 600
Step 3) base 400 < 500 so elite bonus is 500
Step 4) 500 + 600 = 1100
Platinum member flies 10000 miles in business class
Step 1) 10000 * 1.25 = 12500
Step 2) 12500 > 500 so use stick with 12,500
Step 3 ) base 10000 > 500 so elite bonus is 10,000
Step 4 ) 12,500 + 10,000 = 22,500
For Normal member
Step 1) To determine normal miles earned. Take base miles and multiply by COS bonus.
For an Elite member
Step 1) To determine normal miles earned. Take base miles and multiply by COS bonus.
Step 2) If result of step 1 < then apply mimimum of 500
If a Gold member
Step 3) determine bonus miles for Gold elite bonus ; take higher of Base flown or 500 whichever is higher and multiply by 0.25
Otherwise
Step 3) determine bonus miles for Gold elite bonus ; take higher of Base flown or 500 whichever is higher
Step 4 : Add result of Step 2 plus result of Step 3 to Get total redeemable miles
E.g.
Gold member flies 300 miles in business class
Step 1) 300 * 1.25 = 375
Step 2 ) 375 < 500 so apply mimimum 500
Step 3 ) 300 < 500 => bonus is 500 * 0.25 = 125
Step 4) 125 + 375 = 500
Platinum member flies 400 miles in first class
Step 1) 400 * 1.5 = 600
Step 2) 600 > 500 so keep at 600
Step 3) base 400 < 500 so elite bonus is 500
Step 4) 500 + 600 = 1100
Platinum member flies 10000 miles in business class
Step 1) 10000 * 1.25 = 12500
Step 2) 12500 > 500 so use stick with 12,500
Step 3 ) base 10000 > 500 so elite bonus is 10,000
Step 4 ) 12,500 + 10,000 = 22,500
Last edited by Dave Noble; Dec 21, 2012 at 7:21 pm