Originally Posted by 777 global mile hound
(Post 19344982)
I'll be hanging tough with American through he## or highwater
As long as US Air is not involved in any way running the company or the program If it takes 3 days to get home or get to work so be it. However I can always hop on another carrier either through rebooking or buying a ticket elsewhere. Over a holiday period I might look at things differently AA is the best of all what we have in our country and for today anyway I'm sticking to that story! Not me. If it takes 3 days to get to a meeting (thus possibly losing a customer) or 3 days to get home to my family (when I have 3 days between trips to see said family), that's an issue. If that trend starts with AA, I will take my business elsewhere...simple as that. |
Originally Posted by Zach1213
(Post 19347302)
Not me. If it takes 3 days to get to a meeting (thus possibly losing a customer) or 3 days to get home to my family (when I have 3 days between trips to see said family), that's an issue. If that trend starts with AA, I will take my business elsewhere...simple as that.
I had to cancel my LH ticket at the end of last month because of great uncertainty of flight operations from FA strike. The passengers on LH didn't know until 5-6 hours before departure if their flight would be cancelled or not. Current AA situation looks much worse than LH for me. |
I will NOT book away from AA. There is something called loyalty up, and loyalty down.
OT-to any AA pilots who give a ....? I just have to shake my head. Where is there any advantage to shooting yourself in the (insert body part here)? Many of these pilots have served in the military, and at young ages were given responsibility for millions and millions of dollars of equipment, and given incalculable responsibility for completing their missions, sometimes at great personal risk. They worked as a team. And when they get out, and get hired by an airline, they are forced join a union. My question is: Is there some kind of initiation program that the union has, similar to a fraternity? Except that there is no hazing, paddling, over-indulging, secret handshakes, and chasing sorority girls. Instead, do they drink some kind of kool-aid that causes them to turn away from a life of responsibility, and creates an inability to think about long term consequences, and instead become robotic, petty, greedy, selfish, self-centered, small little people. So small, that they are so mad at AA management, any AA management, that they would rather get into bed with Doug Parker. The same Doug Parker that has made a mess of EVERY airline he has been involved with. The same Doug Parker, that based on his track record, rivals some of the truly "great" airline legends, such as Frank Lorenzo or Carl Ichan. Good luck with that. Back on topic-I will not book away from AA. I WILL be more than happy to suggest a career change to any unhappy AA Captain working 75 hours a month. How about to Captain of a lawnmower for Jose's Lawn Service for 50+ hours a week in August in the DFW Metroplex. :D |
Originally Posted by lobo411
(Post 19343414)
I'm loving all these tears. Remember when there was generous applause for AA executive management's strategy of using bankruptcy court to force weak/worthless/un-American employees to bend over?
Now who's laughing? BTW, I do have flights scheduled on AA in October. Most people are going to do what they've always done: book based on price. Acting in this manor doesn't punish AA, it punishes the people that pay the pilots wages, the passengers. What is their goal, to chase off passengers? To have AA lose more money? File chapter 7 versus 11? Tell me exactly how that helps them? |
Originally Posted by Dallas49er
(Post 19347682)
The same Doug Parker that has made a mess of EVERY airline he has been involved with. The same Doug Parker, that based on his track record, rivals some of the truly "great" airline legends, such as Frank Lorenzo or Carl Ichan. Good luck with that.
Huh? Any basis for such a rant? |
Originally Posted by HumbleBee
(Post 19341615)
This is BS. UA is 10* worst. We should only book DL?
American still has the best service as long as you are not on a 767 or 777 in coach. |
Originally Posted by Dallas49er
(Post 19347682)
I will NOT book away from AA. There is something called loyalty up, and loyalty down.
I don't WANT to leave AA. And so far I have no plans to since I assume it'll all work out. But there is no way I am saying that I would never leave AA. Down the road, what am I going to remember - the airline I was loyal to despite them only caring about my money, or the time I spent with my family and friends? Easy answer for me. |
Originally Posted by jfinsocal
(Post 19344866)
If you are talking about Tuesday Sept 18, this is a bad data point - there were weather delays across the northeast.
The 18th started out with a cold from and associated thunderstorms, rain showers, and gusty winds running north-south through the eastern third of the country. By mid-morning, ATC ground delays for flights destined to the DC/PHL/NYC airports were in the 2-3 hour range, and they only escalated the closer the weather got to the east coast. At about 8pm eastern time, the NYC airports looked like this: ATCSCC ADVZY 146 LGA/ZNY 09/18/2012 CDM GROUND DELAY PROGRAM MESSAGE: CTL ELEMENT: LGA ELEMENT TYPE: APT ADL TIME: 2342Z DELAY ASSIGNMENT MODE: UDP ARRIVALS ESTIMATED FOR: 18/2342Z - 19/0459Z CUMULATIVE PROGRAM PERIOD: 18/1600Z - 19/0459Z PROGRAM RATE: 25 FLT INCL: ALL CONTIGUOUS US DEP DEP SCOPE: 1425 ADDITIONAL DEP FACILITIES INCLUDED: CANADIAN DEP ARPTS INCLUDED: CYHZ CYOW CYUL CYYZ CYTZ CYQB DELAY ASSIGNMENT TABLE APPLIES TO: ZNY MAXIMUM DELAY: 806 AVERAGE DELAY: 189 (That's in minutes, or 3:09) IMPACTING CONDITION: WEATHER / THUNDERSTORMS COMMENTS: ATCSCC ADVZY 147 EWR/ZNY 09/18/2012 CDM GROUND DELAY PROGRAM MESSAGE: CTL ELEMENT: EWR ELEMENT TYPE: APT ADL TIME: 2345Z DELAY ASSIGNMENT MODE: DAS ARRIVALS ESTIMATED FOR: 18/2345Z - 19/0559Z CUMULATIVE PROGRAM PERIOD: 18/1500Z - 19/0559Z PROGRAM RATE: 34 FLT INCL: ALL CONTIGUOUS US DEP DEP SCOPE: (ALL+CZY_AP) ZAB ZSE ZFW ZKC ZME ZTL ZOA ZLC ZLA ZAU ZMP ZDV ZID ZMA ZHU ZJX ZBW ZOB ZDC ZNY ADDITIONAL DEP FACILITIES INCLUDED: CANADIAN DEP ARPTS INCLUDED: CYHZ CYOW CYUL CYYZ CYTZ CYQB DELAY ASSIGNMENT TABLE APPLIES TO: ZNY MAXIMUM DELAY: 1466 AVERAGE DELAY: 245 (That's in minutes, or 4:05) IMPACTING CONDITION: WEATHER / THUNDERSTORMS COMMENTS: ATCSCC ADVZY 148 JFK/ZNY 09/18/2012 CDM GROUND STOP MESSAGE: CTL ELEMENT: JFK ELEMENT TYPE: APT ADL TIME: 2351Z GROUND STOP PERIOD: 18/2346Z - 19/0100Z CUMULATIVE PROGRAM PERIOD: 18/1700Z - 19/0359Z DEP FACILITIES INCLUDED: (2ndTier) ZTL ZAU ZMP ZID ZJX ZBW ZOB ZDC ZNY PREVIOUS TOTAL, MAXIMUM, AVERAGE DELAYS: 2628 / 351 / 138 NEW TOTAL, MAXIMUM, AVERAGE DELAYS: 3495 / 411 / 184 (That's in minutes, or 3:04) PROBABILITY OF EXTENSION: LOW IMPACTING CONDITION: WEATHER / THUNDERSTORMS COMMENTS: The orientation of the front/weather and its movement was such that PHL and the DC-area airports went through the same lengthy delays a few hours earlier, since the weather hit these places first before eventually moving into the NYC-area, and even later, the BOS area. |
In the end this will pass and we can say bye bye to AA employees who are more loyal to a lousy Union than to American Airlines or who care about their customers. IF you are not happy look for employment elsewhere. This is what I tell the AA Flight Attendants I personally know, for the past 15 years I've known them all they do is whine and whine and whine, AA it's time to clean house!!!
Originally Posted by Zach1213
(Post 19347752)
In the end, I will do what I need to get where I need to be, when I need to be. If AA employees make that difficult to do, I will take my money elsewhere. I've been loyal to AA for many years now, but if they make it hard to get home to my family, another airline's employees will be happier to take my money.
I don't WANT to leave AA. And so far I have no plans to since I assume it'll all work out. But there is no way I am saying that I would never leave AA. Down the road, what am I going to remember - the airline I was loyal to despite them only caring about my money, or the time I spent with my family and friends? Easy answer for me. |
Originally Posted by flygirl29
(Post 19343772)
AA has a great ff program and a great elite program. DL and UA have both ruined their ff and especially their elite programs. Booking away from a great ff program to move to a crappy one would be stupid. I can put up with a few irrops, especially with AA's great handling of them. This travel editor has his head up his rear end.
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Originally Posted by flygirl29
(Post 19343772)
AA has a great ff program and a great elite program. DL and UA have both ruined their ff and especially their elite programs. Booking away from a great ff program to move to a crappy one would be stupid. I can put up with a few irrops, especially with AA's great handling of them. This travel editor has his head up his rear end.
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Originally Posted by TWATWA
(Post 19347728)
HAv you flown Delta. Their service is just as awful as United's service. It is worse in some cases, especially the mileage program.
American still has the best service as long as you are not on a 767 or 777 in coach. This conversation is about the reliability, not the service. Skypesos suck, but you can remedy that by crediting to AS or such (IF you don't need the status). |
I have to say I'm concerned. I have DFW-MIA-SJU on Friday with only 50 min connection in MIA. Meeting up with a friend in MIA who I haven't seen in years. Just to be safe I'm going standby, meaning catching the 5:30 or the 7:30am vs. the 8:30 but it has to be done.
I love AA, despite being captive to them at DFW, and I feel for the pilots, but I can't help but shake my head at all of this. I understanding mgt being crud, they are mgt, that's what they do. But pilots are suppose to be the the bigger men/women here. No one goes into mgt because they have a passion for cost reduction and head count. People learn to fly because it's amazing and they do have a passion for that. Business is business, I get it. I just hope at some point both mgt and the pilots realize who actually pays both of their salaries. Please work this out AA. I don't want to go back to the cattle call. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Andaz5
(Post 19348200)
IIF you are not happy look for employment elsewhere. This is what I tell the AA Flight Attendants I personally know...
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Originally Posted by jfinsocal
(Post 19344866)
If you are talking about Tuesday Sept 18, this is a bad data point - there were weather delays across the northeast. Today might be a better day to compare performance.
i'm up for giving crap to people when crap is due, but tuesday i'm inclined to give the airlines a pass, the weather really was that bad. |
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