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For inquiries into the best economy or Main Cabin Extra seat on this aircraft type, see this thread:
Best 77W / 777-300ER Economy Class / Main Cabin Extra / MCE seat (consolidated)
For inquiries into the best economy or Main Cabin Extra seat on this aircraft type, see this thread:
Best 77W / 777-300ER Economy Class / Main Cabin Extra / MCE seat (consolidated)
Seating confirmed: 3-4-3 on the 777 / 77W ... boooooooo
May 25, 2012, 3:42 am
#301
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but...but...but it makes business sense, because all of the following are irrefutable facts:
-People ALWAYS buy the cheapest fares.
-AA will ACTUALLY offer lower fares than the competitor with 9 abreast.
-All of the 170 pax in the Main Cabin fly once a year, and they will forget about the experience in a few months.
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And the most important fact:
-It is barely an inch of width that will be lost. Nobody will notice.
-People ALWAYS buy the cheapest fares.
-AA will ACTUALLY offer lower fares than the competitor with 9 abreast.
-All of the 170 pax in the Main Cabin fly once a year, and they will forget about the experience in a few months.
[snip]
And the most important fact:
-It is barely an inch of width that will be lost. Nobody will notice.
"But I flew in 3-4-3 with my family of 4 and we thought it was just fine, so I'm sure it will be OK for everyone [including single travelers seated in the middle between two overweight people]"
May 25, 2012, 11:36 am
#302
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I've seen AA enforce cabin luggage allowances on flights (not all flights).
Please explain how increasing the number of seats per plane, but not increasing the size of the luggage bins will not lead to increased competition for bin space--even when cabin luggage allowances are enforced.
May 25, 2012, 12:12 pm
#303
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I've seen AA enforce cabin luggage allowances on flights (not all flights).
Please explain how increasing the number of seats per plane, but not increasing the size of the luggage bins will not lead to increased competition for bin space--even when cabin luggage allowances are enforced.
Please explain how increasing the number of seats per plane, but not increasing the size of the luggage bins will not lead to increased competition for bin space--even when cabin luggage allowances are enforced.
May 25, 2012, 12:30 pm
#304
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Just wait til you see the seat layout for the new A320's. 7 1/2" wider than a 737 so surely we'll all be looking forward to the 3-4 configuration on those birds as well.
May 25, 2012, 1:02 pm
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May 25, 2012, 3:13 pm
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May 25, 2012, 3:23 pm
#307
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Has anyone noticed that the picture of the Y seating on the 777-300 microsite on aa.com has changed (http://www.aa.com/fly777).
Previously the image looked like this: BEFORE (Courtesy of Flightglobal.com)
Now they've shaved the top off so you cannot tell if the seating is 2-5-2 or 3-4-3 etc: AFTER (Courtesy of AA.com)
Interesting, the file name given to the image on the AA site is 773_YC_111129_Fwd_crop.jpg - love that they're not even hiding the fact that the image has been cropped
Previously the image looked like this: BEFORE (Courtesy of Flightglobal.com)
Now they've shaved the top off so you cannot tell if the seating is 2-5-2 or 3-4-3 etc: AFTER (Courtesy of AA.com)
Interesting, the file name given to the image on the AA site is 773_YC_111129_Fwd_crop.jpg - love that they're not even hiding the fact that the image has been cropped
Until I see a seat map, I'm skeptical of any "confirmation."
May 26, 2012, 12:38 am
#308
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What have you seen on AA that indicates that better enforcement would make of for an 11% increase in passengers, and therefore baggage?
May 26, 2012, 12:40 am
#309
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There's nothing about the BEFORE image (it's a computer rendering, not a photo or picture of an actual plane interior) that conclusively proves that the center section is four or five across. Yes, the AFTER image has been cropped, but that doesn't change the ambiguity of the BEFORE image. All we can tell from the BEFORE image is that the center section appears to contain at least four seats - but nothing about that image precludes the center section from containing five seats. And the BEFORE image does not show whether the side sections contain two or three seats.
Until I see a seat map, I'm skeptical of any "confirmation."
Until I see a seat map, I'm skeptical of any "confirmation."
May 26, 2012, 4:30 am
#310
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oh, that other airlines outside the USA have nowhere near the hand luggage issues that AA has . Fly on other airlines and not have any difficulty finding space
May 26, 2012, 5:20 am
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I actually convinced myself that the original pic was 5 across (you can see the 5th remote/phone if you look closely). But it's clear that it's just an example. As for the "confirmation," as was reported earlier in this thread it came from a post by AA on their Facebook page.
"Also, as a complement to the enhanced aisle width that comes with this new configuration, we've expanded our selection of amenities available for purchase. Aisle passengers may now purchase shoulder pads to improve your experience every time someone gently brushes your shoulders as they walk down our 10-inch wide aisle."
May 26, 2012, 5:23 am
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That's why I like the DC-9 (and it's derivatives) so much. The cabin width only supports 2-3 or 3-2. When traveling with only one other person, having a 2-seat row is preferable, and I'll book towards flights that support that config. Also, have flown the 767 and A320 with the 2-seat windows, yet stay away from the 747 with 3-seat windows.
May 26, 2012, 5:28 am
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There's nothing about the BEFORE image (it's a computer rendering, not a photo or picture of an actual plane interior) that conclusively proves that the center section is four or five across. Yes, the AFTER image has been cropped, but that doesn't change the ambiguity of the BEFORE image. All we can tell from the BEFORE image is that the center section appears to contain at least four seats - but nothing about that image precludes the center section from containing five seats. And the BEFORE image does not show whether the side sections contain two or three seats.
Until I see a seat map, I'm skeptical of any "confirmation."
Until I see a seat map, I'm skeptical of any "confirmation."
I flew a 3-4-3 777 config on JAL from Tokyo (HND) to Okinawa (OKA) and have to tell you that the experience was hellish and certainly not something I would be interested in doing for a TATL or TPAC flight. The seat was extremely cramped. I don't care what calculations might tell us. Experience is what I go by and 3-4-3 was not at all comfortable. Thankfully I had an exit row so I had space in front of me, but I spent the entire flight not being able to move sideways and this was despite being on a window seat and having a smallish person next to me in the middle seat.
Personally I hope that AA aren't going with a 3-4-3 config but if they do I'll only be on their birds if I can confirm an EVIP upgrade at the time of booking. Otherwise I'll choose the BA option.
May 26, 2012, 12:37 pm
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Several bloggers who spoke to AA representatives and were told this, after asking questions at an AA conference they were invited to. One of them is Henry Harteveldt.
I'd say having an American Airlines representative tell you something is about as an authoritative source as you can get, wouldn't you?
I'd say having an American Airlines representative tell you something is about as an authoritative source as you can get, wouldn't you?
May 26, 2012, 12:40 pm
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Several posts have been deleted. Some discussed moderator actions, others requested moderator actions to be carried out against others, a few were purely ad hominem and some were exchanges that were highly personal and dilatory to the topic.
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