first trip as EXP, not so happy
#16
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thanks. will do. certainly I would rather be EXP than an early timestamp as PLT!
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#17
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Anyone can call 800-843-6200 and then be routed to the correct "desk" to match the status AA thinks you hold at that moment (if you aren't EXP, then you get routed to general reservations). When you called on Thursday, did the agent answer "Executive Desk"? Same question Saturday and today. Did aa.com show your status as EXP on Thursday, Saturday and/or today?
#18
Join Date: May 2007
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I booked the flight and requested upgrade about 8 weeks ago. I became EXP on outbound and I called to make sure I'm EXP on the upgrade list for return. First seg seems okay, upgrade is only at T-4 but email says I'm EXP so no sticker is deducted. Now I arrived at DFW and saw my name is #1 on the list. 5 minutes later I dropped to #3.
As EXP through pax this is not possible, so I approached gate agent and asked what's going on there. He said you are platinum and they are EXP. I showed him my BP and he said: I can't do anything. Computer says you are platinum. I didn't argue and called EXP desk. Agent was nice and said the computer showed me as EXP. She said she can talk to the gate agent. Gate agent tried to ignore me but I asked him anyway. he doesn't talk to any one on cell phone. And he processed the upgrade for the two ahead of me.
Now its a really short flight so I don't care much, but I have 5 more trips booked when I was platinum. how can I make sure I get listed as EXP?
As EXP through pax this is not possible, so I approached gate agent and asked what's going on there. He said you are platinum and they are EXP. I showed him my BP and he said: I can't do anything. Computer says you are platinum. I didn't argue and called EXP desk. Agent was nice and said the computer showed me as EXP. She said she can talk to the gate agent. Gate agent tried to ignore me but I asked him anyway. he doesn't talk to any one on cell phone. And he processed the upgrade for the two ahead of me.
Now its a really short flight so I don't care much, but I have 5 more trips booked when I was platinum. how can I make sure I get listed as EXP?
If not, then indeed it was an EXP upgrade and the GA at DFW lied to you when he/she said you were listed as a PLT.
As to why you dropped to #3 on the list, that is not particularly unusual. F passengers who have mis-connected could simply trump you because they would be listed as DSRs on th upgrade list.
#19
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However, I'm a bit confused by the OP's statement in the OP that "upgrade is only at T-4 but email says I'm EXP so no sticker is deducted". IME, the standard language is "The appropriate number of 500-mile upgrades will be deducted from your Electronic Upgrade bank for each segment upgraded at departure time" regardless of one's status. Indeed, status is not even noted on the standard upgrade notification email.
#20
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I don't profess to be truly knowledgeable about this subject other than being conversant with what has been posted here over the last 10 years. AFAIK, it is entirely possible that the subsystem that deducts stickers views the OP as EXP, while the subsystem that prioritizes upgrades views the OP as PLT.
However, I'm a bit confused by the OP's statement in the OP that "upgrade is only at T-4 but email says I'm EXP so no sticker is deducted". IME, the standard language is "The appropriate number of 500-mile upgrades will be deducted from your Electronic Upgrade bank for each segment upgraded at departure time" regardless of one's status. Indeed, status is not even noted on the standard upgrade notification email.
However, I'm a bit confused by the OP's statement in the OP that "upgrade is only at T-4 but email says I'm EXP so no sticker is deducted". IME, the standard language is "The appropriate number of 500-mile upgrades will be deducted from your Electronic Upgrade bank for each segment upgraded at departure time" regardless of one's status. Indeed, status is not even noted on the standard upgrade notification email.
As to your first point, I had not thought of that, and certainly wouldn't put it past AA's antiquated system.
Last edited by sukn; Nov 27, 2011 at 11:02 pm
#22
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I miss read the email as I didn't have much time and I saw "executive members and Y/B blah blah therefore no upgrades will be taken from your account".
However, I'm a bit confused by the OP's statement in the OP that "upgrade is only at T-4 but email says I'm EXP so no sticker is deducted". IME, the standard language is "The appropriate number of 500-mile upgrades will be deducted from your Electronic Upgrade bank for each segment upgraded at departure time" regardless of one's status. Indeed, status is not even noted on the standard upgrade notification email.
#23
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OP, check your AAdvantage account and confirm if indeed stickers were deducted from your account. If they were, then it was obviously a PLT upgrade.
If not, then indeed it was an EXP upgrade and the GA at DFW lied to you when he/she said you were listed as a PLT.
As to why you dropped to #3 on the list, that is not particularly unusual. F passengers who have mis-connected could simply trump you because they would be listed as DSRs on th upgrade list.
If not, then indeed it was an EXP upgrade and the GA at DFW lied to you when he/she said you were listed as a PLT.
As to why you dropped to #3 on the list, that is not particularly unusual. F passengers who have mis-connected could simply trump you because they would be listed as DSRs on th upgrade list.
since my first leg was upgraded, I got a new BP at the gate and water mark showed "EXECUTIVE PLATINUM" and EMERALD printed below seat.
my account doesn't have stickers deducted for the first leg.
I understand under certain conditions people can trump EXP, but why would the GA to me...
#24
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OP- you got snagged in a condition that only happens at time of initial qualification. Get your PNRs updated as advised above, and relax. The EXP upgrade process is generally seamless- not guaranteed success- but not usually requiring any intervention.
#25
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If they're willing to do that for a plat challenge, one would hope they'd be willing to do it for a new EXP.
#26
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That is seriously bizarre, and lends credence to my hypothesis about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
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A few clarifications on the upgrade list
(1) SWU/Mileage+co-pay upgrades do show up on the gate monitor once the person has checked in and been added to the list. They are looking for A/C inventory rather than X/R inventory. In advance, A/C will potentially be available before the T-100 window. And during the T-100 to T-3 time frame, A/C almost always will open before X/R. There are exceptions and its not something an A/C upgrader is technically entitled to.
(2) At the gate X/R/A/C upgrades are prioritized as if they were all the same. A originating PLAT who requested 60 days out will be ahead of a PLAT requesting a SWU upgrade who requested 10 days out. There is a completely legal workaround, however. Here's the scenario: was waiting on JFK-SFO as an EXP. #2 on the list for 0 seats. I switch my request to a VIP. This is when I found out about (1) above - it didn't change my priority. Supervisors were called, etc. and we verified that the above is in fact the case once its at airport control. So I go sit down in the AC and keep hitting refresh. Flight switches to F1 A1, I call the EXP desk (as I had harrassed the AC agents enough), they clear me into the A seat and I ask the AAgents just to print me my new boarding pass.
(3) EXPs can be bumped down the gate list as more EXPs check in (you are not added to the list at the gate until you check in) and such EXPs are thru-EXPs and/or Y-fare EXPs.
(4) IRROPs do not play into upgrade requests, just standby.
(2) At the gate X/R/A/C upgrades are prioritized as if they were all the same. A originating PLAT who requested 60 days out will be ahead of a PLAT requesting a SWU upgrade who requested 10 days out. There is a completely legal workaround, however. Here's the scenario: was waiting on JFK-SFO as an EXP. #2 on the list for 0 seats. I switch my request to a VIP. This is when I found out about (1) above - it didn't change my priority. Supervisors were called, etc. and we verified that the above is in fact the case once its at airport control. So I go sit down in the AC and keep hitting refresh. Flight switches to F1 A1, I call the EXP desk (as I had harrassed the AC agents enough), they clear me into the A seat and I ask the AAgents just to print me my new boarding pass.
(3) EXPs can be bumped down the gate list as more EXPs check in (you are not added to the list at the gate until you check in) and such EXPs are thru-EXPs and/or Y-fare EXPs.
(4) IRROPs do not play into upgrade requests, just standby.
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#29
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Within each elite level, full-fare Economy Class tickets booked in Y or B are confirmed first, followed by all other fares, in the order in which the upgrade request was received.
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