[Speculation] Should AS Funnel More Transit Passengers Via PDX as SEA Is Overcrowded?
Oct 25, 2021, 11:35 am
#16
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As long as the POS assigns gates at SEA based on utilization and schedule AS will try to jam as many people through SEA as they can.
PDX is a much more pleasant connecting experience than SEA, but AS isn’t going to let DL get more gates at SEA.
Like many others I make it a point to avoid SEA when I can, but the reality is if you fly AS a lot it is highly likely you can’t avoid it all the time.
PDX is a much more pleasant connecting experience than SEA, but AS isn’t going to let DL get more gates at SEA.
Like many others I make it a point to avoid SEA when I can, but the reality is if you fly AS a lot it is highly likely you can’t avoid it all the time.
Oct 25, 2021, 3:23 pm
#17
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As long as the POS assigns gates at SEA based on utilization and schedule AS will try to jam as many people through SEA as they can.
PDX is a much more pleasant connecting experience than SEA, but AS isn’t going to let DL get more gates at SEA.
Like many others I make it a point to avoid SEA when I can, but the reality is if you fly AS a lot it is highly likely you can’t avoid it all the time.
PDX is a much more pleasant connecting experience than SEA, but AS isn’t going to let DL get more gates at SEA.
Like many others I make it a point to avoid SEA when I can, but the reality is if you fly AS a lot it is highly likely you can’t avoid it all the time.
Oct 25, 2021, 3:23 pm
#18
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Exactly. Not even in a dream world where PDX could open up a beautiful new terminal tomorrow would it make any difference. Every seat that AS does not have going through SEA means that AS could stand to lose gates to a competitor. The only way this changes is if the Port of Seattle modifeis the way they allocate gate resources. In the meantime, expect the situation to get worse--not better--unless the competition folds and AS has no chance of losing gate space if it reduces capacity.
Oct 25, 2021, 4:24 pm
#19
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I understand all of these views presented here. I have flown over 100000 this year and definitely there is no excuse to have people in COVID times being seated on the floor as what i witnessed. Hopefully they find some solution. I am also realistic that PDX is not Seattle, but they can use this for their advantage and not disadvantage. I may be not informed but, I can't understand who would rate Alaska great if transiting via Seattle.
Oct 25, 2021, 4:28 pm
#20
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I understand all of these views presented here. I have flown over 100000 this year and definitely there is no excuse to have people in COVID times being seated on the floor as what i witnessed. Hopefully they find some solution. I am also realistic that PDX is not Seattle, but they can use this for their advantage and not disadvantage. I may be not informed but, I can't understand who would rate Alaska great if transiting via Seattle.
Oct 25, 2021, 4:29 pm
#21
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I won't go to SEA anymore if I can avoid it at all, which pretty much means I don't fly AS. It's a horrible experience as a passenger.
Somehow though, DL and SLC have managed to claim a close second spot, taking one of the best connecting airport experiences in the country to now one of the worst if you are not on a full mainline itinerary.
Somehow though, DL and SLC have managed to claim a close second spot, taking one of the best connecting airport experiences in the country to now one of the worst if you are not on a full mainline itinerary.
Oct 25, 2021, 4:58 pm
#22
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I won't go to SEA anymore if I can avoid it at all, which pretty much means I don't fly AS. It's a horrible experience as a passenger.
Somehow though, DL and SLC have managed to claim a close second spot, taking one of the best connecting airport experiences in the country to now one of the worst if you are not on a full mainline itinerary.
Somehow though, DL and SLC have managed to claim a close second spot, taking one of the best connecting airport experiences in the country to now one of the worst if you are not on a full mainline itinerary.
Oct 25, 2021, 6:27 pm
#23
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They did previously have a lot more connections through PDX, at least for my own flying. Previously it was about 50-50 connecting between PDX and SEA to GEG. Now it's almost always SEA.
Honestly, I think the bigger answer is for AS to have more nonstop flights using its E175s from smaller airports. We're seeing that already from GEG and BOI, among others. But more of that would be a better solution to the SEA overcrowding problem, honestly...
Honestly, I think the bigger answer is for AS to have more nonstop flights using its E175s from smaller airports. We're seeing that already from GEG and BOI, among others. But more of that would be a better solution to the SEA overcrowding problem, honestly...
Oct 25, 2021, 6:48 pm
#24
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They did previously have a lot more connections through PDX, at least for my own flying. Previously it was about 50-50 connecting between PDX and SEA to GEG. Now it's almost always SEA.
Honestly, I think the bigger answer is for AS to have more nonstop flights using its E175s from smaller airports. We're seeing that already from GEG and BOI, among others. But more of that would be a better solution to the SEA overcrowding problem, honestly...
Honestly, I think the bigger answer is for AS to have more nonstop flights using its E175s from smaller airports. We're seeing that already from GEG and BOI, among others. But more of that would be a better solution to the SEA overcrowding problem, honestly...
Oct 25, 2021, 8:36 pm
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Well, I lied. This morning I did connect. And it was a wonderful experience compared to the three ring circus with multiple train connections that was my last SEA connection. Alas not enough time to eat anything or check on the state of Capers.
Oct 26, 2021, 12:20 am
#26
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I'm guessing there is a disconnect between the average flyer and a flyertalker's experience at SEA. I spend my time in SEA in the N lounge, up until 5-15 minutes before boarding (depending on where my gate is). Therefore, I love traveling through Seattle. If I was sitting around on the floor for hours, I might think differently...
Oct 26, 2021, 1:55 am
#27
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After reading all of the recent posts I was going to quote a few but am too lazy/tired. It seems there's quite the different experiences/opinions of SEA. As a PDX to Hawaii flyer (split residence between the two) I welcome a trip through SEA due to the amazing N lounge and mileage boost. If I were sitting on the floor in SEA and not visiting the lounge I would hate it too. I guess it all just depends on your situation, etc.
Oct 26, 2021, 10:43 am
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The modern gates at SEA (N and A) are light years better than the ones constructed when 737s held about 120 passengers tops (S, B, C, D). When you have a 180-200 passenger plane using a gate holdroom that maybe seats 150, this is what you get.
DL doesn’t have this problem as much because… a lot of their gates are in A. AS is doing better now that N is finishing up. I guess S and international are next.
DL doesn’t have this problem as much because… a lot of their gates are in A. AS is doing better now that N is finishing up. I guess S and international are next.
Oct 26, 2021, 11:11 am
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The modern gates at SEA (N and A) are light years better than the ones constructed when 737s held about 120 passengers tops (S, B, C, D). When you have a 180-200 passenger plane using a gate holdroom that maybe seats 150, this is what you get.
DL doesn’t have this problem as much because… a lot of their gates are in A. AS is doing better now that N is finishing up. I guess S and international are next.
DL doesn’t have this problem as much because… a lot of their gates are in A. AS is doing better now that N is finishing up. I guess S and international are next.
Oct 26, 2021, 12:46 pm
#30
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Per the comments above, Capers at the B/C gates still closes mid afternoon and only has grab and go foods early afternoon, so hard to use your PP allotment. As to more flights via PDX, yes love to see more nonstops from PDX, and both Brad and now Ben have indicated there will be more mid cons. I for one a, sick and tired of arriving late evening in SEA at the infamous D20 bus gate and having to spend a night in a hotel because AS can’t get me to my last PDX flight gate fast enough.