How much cabin crew intervention to expect re: masks
Apr 7, 2021, 5:19 pm
#31
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Did the crew serve the passenger with the yellow card? There is specific protocol to be followed. The yellow card states that further warnings will lead to a possible cancellation of future bookings and a ban from the airline. Ask the crew to follow the yellow card protocol. Then complain to corporate if they don't do it.
Apr 7, 2021, 5:21 pm
#32
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that's as may be, but the rule is that you have to wear a mask covering your nose and mouth while on board the aircraft
Apr 7, 2021, 5:43 pm
#33
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my partner had covid and was completely asymptomatic. No symptoms what so ever. We found out because he tested biweekly because of the job we have. Droplets carried simply by breathing and speaking can carry the virus. If you're seated next to an asymptomatic carrier (someone like my partner, for instance) and casually engage in conversation, or if they just breathe (because we do that) it's possible to be infected by an asymptomatic carrier. Everybody experiences Covid differently. It's not sure that you'd get sick if infected. It's also not sure that you'd survive if you did - and there's a whole lot in between. Anything could happen. Many of my co-workers that got covid are experiencing long term effects after their recovery. Until the majority of people are vaccinated I'm not comfortable being in any crowded space without taking precautions. You may be - you have a right to that opinion. As long as we're still in a pandemic though, I'm less concerned about people's opinions and more concerned about science.
Apr 7, 2021, 7:03 pm
#36
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Isn't that just a convenient way to save them for later?
Apr 7, 2021, 9:42 pm
#38
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my partner had covid and was completely asymptomatic. No symptoms what so ever. We found out because he tested biweekly because of the job we have. Droplets carried simply by breathing and speaking can carry the virus. If you're seated next to an asymptomatic carrier (someone like my partner, for instance) and casually engage in conversation, or if they just breathe (because we do that) it's possible to be infected by an asymptomatic carrier. Everybody experiences Covid differently. It's not sure that you'd get sick if infected. It's also not sure that you'd survive if you did - and there's a whole lot in between. Anything could happen. Many of my co-workers that got covid are experiencing long term effects after their recovery. Until the majority of people are vaccinated I'm not comfortable being in any crowded space without taking precautions. You may be - you have a right to that opinion. As long as we're still in a pandemic though, I'm less concerned about people's opinions and more concerned about science.
Apr 7, 2021, 11:08 pm
#39
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I had no symptoms but loss of smell. How do you know you've lost smell unless you're actively trying to smell something. Had I not noticed I'd have been going around Business as usual, including getting on a plane and sitting next to someone. There is asymptomatic spread out there that can likely be prevented by wearing a mask, just like your partner.
Apr 7, 2021, 11:52 pm
#40
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for things like not wearing your seatbelt, not complying w/ crewmember instructions, smoking in the lav, being a dangerous/disruptive passenger...there are minimum penalties in the federal statues that are enough to generally ensure high levels of compliance. the CDC issued the "law" about wearing masks on public transport, including planes, but stipulated no penalties for non-compliance, and did not enable the FAA to stipulate its own penalty for such, to my knowledge. basically, all passengers know that this will basically not be enforced on a criminal or civil level, except that they may be banned from flying a given airline for a particularly egregious neglect of the masking "rule".
Apr 10, 2021, 1:35 pm
#41
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Anecdotally, I have seen much less mask compliance on any flight touching the state of Alaska. My last BET flight seemed to have 60% mask compliance (mostly below nose or chin). The FA's didn't do much considering it would probably be too difficult to police.
My last SEA-LAX and ORD flights, on the other hand, had near 100% compliance and the FA's actively scolded those not following instructions.
My last SEA-LAX and ORD flights, on the other hand, had near 100% compliance and the FA's actively scolded those not following instructions.
May 2, 2021, 5:21 pm
#42
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Anecdotally, I have seen much less mask compliance on any flight touching the state of Alaska. My last BET flight seemed to have 60% mask compliance (mostly below nose or chin). The FA's didn't do much considering it would probably be too difficult to police.
My last SEA-LAX and ORD flights, on the other hand, had near 100% compliance and the FA's actively scolded those not following instructions.
My last SEA-LAX and ORD flights, on the other hand, had near 100% compliance and the FA's actively scolded those not following instructions.
May 2, 2021, 5:49 pm
#43
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I had no symptoms but loss of smell. How do you know you've lost smell unless you're actively trying to smell something. Had I not noticed I'd have been going around Business as usual, including getting on a plane and sitting next to someone. There is asymptomatic spread out there that can likely be prevented by wearing a mask, just like your partner.
May 2, 2021, 8:14 pm
#44
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May 3, 2021, 7:56 pm
#45
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In the news this evening:
FAA Warns Of Uptick In Unruly And Dangerous Passenger Behavior
FAA now has a zero tolerance approach to
"-refusal to wear masks
-political intimidation
-excessive drinking
-verbal & physical assault"
“This is the reason why I recently resigned from my job with Alaska Airlines. It has been an exhausting time for all the employees who are just trying to do their job according to their company’s policies. The constant arguing and pushback from guests, it’s ridiculous.”
And I thought AS was at the quiet end of the spectrum!
FAA Warns Of Uptick In Unruly And Dangerous Passenger Behavior
FAA now has a zero tolerance approach to
"-refusal to wear masks
-political intimidation
-excessive drinking
-verbal & physical assault"
“This is the reason why I recently resigned from my job with Alaska Airlines. It has been an exhausting time for all the employees who are just trying to do their job according to their company’s policies. The constant arguing and pushback from guests, it’s ridiculous.”
And I thought AS was at the quiet end of the spectrum!