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Impact with LATAM partnership with Alaska after DL investment?

Impact with LATAM partnership with Alaska after DL investment?

Old Sep 28, 19, 9:43 pm
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Impact with LATAM partnership with Alaska after DL investment?

Just curious if we are going to see LATAM leave the Alaska partnership now that DL has investment into the carrier and it now leaving OneWorld. I suspect the announcement of the termination of the partnership will come in weeks....with it formally ending in early 2020.
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Old Sep 28, 19, 10:34 pm
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It might not. A condition of the DL/KE partnership was that DL could not interfere with KEís AS partnership. The same condition would likely apply.
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Old Sep 29, 19, 1:56 am
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They said they are keeping their partnerships with BA and Qantas and Qatar. So I doubt they are worried about Alaska. But who knows.
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Old Sep 29, 19, 2:45 am
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Originally Posted by sergent View Post
They said they are keeping their partnerships with BA and Qantas and Qatar. So I doubt they are worried about Alaska. But who knows.
They said they want to keep BA and QF. They didnít say anything about QR. We donít know what DL will demand once they have two seats on the LA board. I suspect if they can cast doubt on future partnership with QR, a 10% owner, then they can easily force out AS, which has a much looser relationship.

If AS stays a partner, itíll be because a court/govít requires it (like they did with KE), not because DL doesnít care about AS. DL has shown it does care quite a bit about cutting off AS wherever can.
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Old Sep 29, 19, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by isaac.chambers View Post
I suspect the announcement of the termination of the partnership will come in weeks....with it formally ending in early 2020.
Deltaís CEO said it will take 12-24 months to secure regulatory approval, and LATAM has to give one yearís notice to even leave Oneworld, so I wouldnít expect any imminent changes to the partnership.
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Old Sep 29, 19, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by CalanMan View Post
They said they want to keep BA and QF. They didnít say anything about QR. We donít know what DL will demand once they have two seats on the LA board. I suspect if they can cast doubt on future partnership with QR, a 10% owner, then they can easily force out AS, which has a much looser relationship.

If AS stays a partner, itíll be because a court/govít requires it (like they did with KE), not because DL doesnít care about AS. DL has shown it does care quite a bit about cutting off AS wherever can.
How is DL doing in Seattle? I know they came in and saying we are going to be Seattle's airline. Curious if the DL/AS partnership could be rekindled if it helps DL in the fight against B6 in BOS. A wild idea...but LATAM was a shocker to a lot of people.....
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Old Sep 29, 19, 10:11 am
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Given the terrible partnership with AA right now and AS.....it would be amazing to see AS / DL shack up again....and give me access to eastern Canada! But wishful thinking.....
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Old Sep 29, 19, 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by isaac.chambers View Post
How is DL doing in Seattle? I know they came in and saying we are going to be Seattle's airline. Curious if the DL/AS partnership could be rekindled if it helps DL in the fight against B6 in BOS. A wild idea...but LATAM was a shocker to a lot of people.....
Doubtful, they're trying to make SEA become a big intl gateway to Asia, and they're pouring in as much money as possible to win every inch in SEA. I think they're still only up to almost 16% of market share, but from where they came from 5 years ago you can see they have no plans to just stop.
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Old Sep 29, 19, 10:15 am
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Originally Posted by sergent View Post
They said they are keeping their partnerships with BA and Qantas and Qatar. So I doubt they are worried about Alaska. But who knows.
Ba Quantas and Qatar arenít owned by Delta.
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Old Sep 29, 19, 1:30 pm
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Originally Posted by safari ari View Post
Doubtful, they're trying to make SEA become a big intl gateway to Asia, and they're pouring in as much money as possible to win every inch in SEA. I think they're still only up to almost 16% of market share, but from where they came from 5 years ago you can see they have no plans to just stop.
I know theyíre trying, but itís hard to take SEA seriously as a TPAC gateway for DL when they donít serve HKG or SIN. CX and SQ took the opportunity to swoop in and offer a superior product, so itís going to be hard for DL to re-enter those markets in a meaningful way. Perhaps the A350s theyíre getting in the deal with LATAM are for this purpose, but itís going to be a while until they join the fleet.

With that said, there is a 0% chance AS and DL are going to partner again. Im sure ASís partnership with LATAM will come to an end in due time. DL is going to try and funnel all US connecting traffic from LATAM through ATL, MIA, and JFK.
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Old Sep 29, 19, 1:44 pm
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Originally Posted by wolfpacktrojan View Post
I know theyíre trying, but itís hard to take SEA seriously as a TPAC gateway for DL when they donít serve HKG or SIN. CX and SQ took the opportunity to swoop in and offer a superior product, so itís going to be hard for DL to re-enter those markets in a meaningful way. Perhaps the A350s theyíre getting in the deal with LATAM are for this purpose, but itís going to be a while until they join the fleet.
You're correct, the other issue is the International setup at SEA is severely outdated, it should change with the new terminal being built. With that said, they are expanding on the HND route from Seattle and the A350's from LAN may play into them being able to bring back routes that were not cost effective, i.e SIN/HKG. SEA is just a weird place on the WC when you have LAX as a huge intl gateway for US carriers and the rest of the world, SFO as a UA hub, YVR as a AC hub. Not to mention these other intl hubs have a significant amount of money from corporate contracts and personal travel. But for DL it makes sense as they are trying to build up their domestic routes to feed, presumably, an intl expansion.

The fact that they used the 767 for a majority of their intl routes has always made me laugh though.
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Old Sep 29, 19, 4:09 pm
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Originally Posted by isaac.chambers View Post
Given the terrible partnership with AA right now and AS.....it would be amazing to see AS / DL shack up again....and give me access to eastern Canada! But wishful thinking.....
Well I hope they get back to AA and fight off Delta domestically. It would be amazing to expand AA and AS cooperation to the max as permitted by law due to merger with Virgin America.
But that would be a great turn of events as AA would benefit having storng AS on the west coast
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Old Sep 29, 19, 5:30 pm
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Originally Posted by safari ari View Post
The fact that they used the 767 for a majority of their intl routes has always made me laugh though.
Agreed. Their incoming A330-900NEOs should be a massive upgrade over the current 767s flying TPAC soon enough. I just donít think SEA will ever be for DL what SFO is for UA.

With the AM relationship gone because of DL and now potentially the LATAM partnership as well, AS isnít going to have much coverage in Latin America. Do they partner with someone like Interjet down the line?
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Old Sep 29, 19, 8:36 pm
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Originally Posted by isaac.chambers View Post
How is DL doing in Seattle? I know they came in and saying we are going to be Seattle's airline. Curious if the DL/AS partnership could be rekindled if it helps DL in the fight against B6 in BOS. A wild idea...but LATAM was a shocker to a lot of people.....
Wishful thinking indeed. It's not at all clear to me how AS's handful of flights to the west coast would help DL fight B6 in BOS. It's even less clear to me what this has to do with LATAM.
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Old Sep 29, 19, 9:10 pm
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Originally Posted by isaac.chambers View Post
How is DL doing in Seattle? I know they came in and saying we are going to be Seattle's airline. Curious if the DL/AS partnership could be rekindled if it helps DL in the fight against B6 in BOS. A wild idea...but LATAM was a shocker to a lot of people.....
They’re doing fine, and removing an incentive to switch by being buddies with AS makes about as much sense as sending a Brinks truck full of dead presidents to AS/AA/UA corporate HQs, AS’s massive 7 or so flights a day at BOS notwithstanding.

Back on topic, the LA partnership will go away eventually. Oh well.
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