Experience With Hainan Airlines (HU)
#106
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If you’re in J you get your own hotel room. I might add you get free car service to and from the airport to your hotel if traveling in J also. Depending on where you are, the drivers don’t always speak English. If you need to communicate something with the driver, make sure you get your notes in Mandarin ready since google translate doesn’t always work in the mainland. Also I learned the hard way that names like “Sheraton” and “Holiday Inn” are not that in Mandarin.
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#108
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When you say “Sheraton” or “Holiday Inn” to a non-English speaking taxi driver they do not understand and I don’t speak Mandarin so I’m just giving you my experience
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When I say "Chongqing" to a native mandarin speaking coworker whose husband is from Chongqing, she doesn't understand. I'm pretty sure that the problem is on my end.
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#111
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If you’re in J you get your own hotel room. I might add you get free car service to and from the airport to your hotel if traveling in J also. Depending on where you are, the drivers don’t always speak English. If you need to communicate something with the driver, make sure you get your notes in Mandarin ready since google translate doesn’t always work in the mainland. Also I learned the hard way that names like “Sheraton” and “Holiday Inn” are not that in Mandarin.
#112
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You would pay 100k miles + $600 (round trip) when you can just buy a round trip ticket for $2100, and earn about 20-40k miles on that trip? That's about 1c per mile.
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And to SIN/BKK?
I know I can scab things together to drop the price, but ANC rarely sees deals in J TPAC, especially to destinations I want to visit.
I do appreciate the feedback however. Suggestions are useful to evaluate.
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Oh yeah that's a lot more. I thought you wanted to visit China. I'm actually surprised it's not cheaper to get to BKK. Must be a supply/demand thing.
#116
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Just FYIs and first impressions...
"Seat selection is locked for airport control and you must select seat at airport" - getting this for TPACs in both directions booked as an Alaska J award 3 weeks and 6 weeks in advance. On the other hand, if I go through the screens to make a revenue booking, one is able to select both TPAC seat at time of booking, and EF is showing some people are doing so. This is a notable disadvantage for AS redemptions in the rare occasion the cabin is full and you get stuck in a less desirable seat (e.g. honeymoon seat as a single). This would be a bigger annoyance if it was their 2-2-2 cabin as I much prefer window seats.
Seats on regional flights are selectable by phone. One of my regional flights was downgraded from a 787 to a 737 3 weeks in advance: no notification, and the system didn't reassign me a seat, I only found out because I am paranoid with award bookings and check with partner carriers directly to confirm booking status.
Not an amazing experience dealing with their phone staff (China-based English line) - curt, frequently interrupt, and a noticeable language barrier - but at least someone immediately picks up. I could never get through to any of their North American numbers. I'm hoping ground staff are better, but based on reviews, it seems Hainan only excels in the air.
Picked up free unlimited Priority Pass via Amex since I have many layovers, and in full knowledge Chinese domestic lounges typically suck equal or worse to US lounges; hopefully the added variety of PP lounges and Hainan contract lounges will let me find somewhere passable. I think the free hotels in transit are much needed considering there don't seem to be (clean) showers in any available lounges. The guy on the phone insinuated I could have a choice of which hotel when I get to transit desk... we shall see how that works in practice when I try to ask for a Western brand-name hotel (SPG, Marriott, Hilton, etc). Of course beggars can't be choosers.
"Seat selection is locked for airport control and you must select seat at airport" - getting this for TPACs in both directions booked as an Alaska J award 3 weeks and 6 weeks in advance. On the other hand, if I go through the screens to make a revenue booking, one is able to select both TPAC seat at time of booking, and EF is showing some people are doing so. This is a notable disadvantage for AS redemptions in the rare occasion the cabin is full and you get stuck in a less desirable seat (e.g. honeymoon seat as a single). This would be a bigger annoyance if it was their 2-2-2 cabin as I much prefer window seats.
Seats on regional flights are selectable by phone. One of my regional flights was downgraded from a 787 to a 737 3 weeks in advance: no notification, and the system didn't reassign me a seat, I only found out because I am paranoid with award bookings and check with partner carriers directly to confirm booking status.
Not an amazing experience dealing with their phone staff (China-based English line) - curt, frequently interrupt, and a noticeable language barrier - but at least someone immediately picks up. I could never get through to any of their North American numbers. I'm hoping ground staff are better, but based on reviews, it seems Hainan only excels in the air.
Picked up free unlimited Priority Pass via Amex since I have many layovers, and in full knowledge Chinese domestic lounges typically suck equal or worse to US lounges; hopefully the added variety of PP lounges and Hainan contract lounges will let me find somewhere passable. I think the free hotels in transit are much needed considering there don't seem to be (clean) showers in any available lounges. The guy on the phone insinuated I could have a choice of which hotel when I get to transit desk... we shall see how that works in practice when I try to ask for a Western brand-name hotel (SPG, Marriott, Hilton, etc). Of course beggars can't be choosers.
#117
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Just FYIs and first impressions...
"Seat selection is locked for airport control and you must select seat at airport" - getting this for TPACs in both directions booked as an Alaska J award 3 weeks and 6 weeks in advance. On the other hand, if I go through the screens to make a revenue booking, one is able to select both TPAC seat at time of booking, and EF is showing some people are doing so. This is a notable disadvantage for AS redemptions in the rare occasion the cabin is full and you get stuck in a less desirable seat (e.g. honeymoon seat as a single). This would be a bigger annoyance if it was their 2-2-2 cabin as I much prefer window seats.
Seats on regional flights are selectable by phone. One of my regional flights was downgraded from a 787 to a 737 3 weeks in advance: no notification, and the system didn't reassign me a seat, I only found out because I am paranoid with award bookings and check with partner carriers directly to confirm booking status.
Not an amazing experience dealing with their phone staff (China-based English line) - curt, frequently interrupt, and a noticeable language barrier - but at least someone immediately picks up. I could never get through to any of their North American numbers. I'm hoping ground staff are better, but based on reviews, it seems Hainan only excels in the air.
Picked up free unlimited Priority Pass via Amex since I have many layovers, and in full knowledge Chinese domestic lounges typically suck equal or worse to US lounges; hopefully the added variety of PP lounges and Hainan contract lounges will let me find somewhere passable. I think the free hotels in transit are much needed considering there don't seem to be (clean) showers in any available lounges. The guy on the phone insinuated I could have a choice of which hotel when I get to transit desk... we shall see how that works in practice when I try to ask for a Western brand-name hotel (SPG, Marriott, Hilton, etc). Of course beggars can't be choosers.
"Seat selection is locked for airport control and you must select seat at airport" - getting this for TPACs in both directions booked as an Alaska J award 3 weeks and 6 weeks in advance. On the other hand, if I go through the screens to make a revenue booking, one is able to select both TPAC seat at time of booking, and EF is showing some people are doing so. This is a notable disadvantage for AS redemptions in the rare occasion the cabin is full and you get stuck in a less desirable seat (e.g. honeymoon seat as a single). This would be a bigger annoyance if it was their 2-2-2 cabin as I much prefer window seats.
Seats on regional flights are selectable by phone. One of my regional flights was downgraded from a 787 to a 737 3 weeks in advance: no notification, and the system didn't reassign me a seat, I only found out because I am paranoid with award bookings and check with partner carriers directly to confirm booking status.
Not an amazing experience dealing with their phone staff (China-based English line) - curt, frequently interrupt, and a noticeable language barrier - but at least someone immediately picks up. I could never get through to any of their North American numbers. I'm hoping ground staff are better, but based on reviews, it seems Hainan only excels in the air.
Picked up free unlimited Priority Pass via Amex since I have many layovers, and in full knowledge Chinese domestic lounges typically suck equal or worse to US lounges; hopefully the added variety of PP lounges and Hainan contract lounges will let me find somewhere passable. I think the free hotels in transit are much needed considering there don't seem to be (clean) showers in any available lounges. The guy on the phone insinuated I could have a choice of which hotel when I get to transit desk... we shall see how that works in practice when I try to ask for a Western brand-name hotel (SPG, Marriott, Hilton, etc). Of course beggars can't be choosers.
Do keep in mind if you’re like me, and you need air vents, the A330 have them everywhere, but the 788’s do not have air vents in the center seats. I don’t know about the 789 as I’ve never been on them but I would suspect also only on the side seats.
Also their North American call centers can sometimes be a challenge, but usually whatever you need help with gets done. If you don’t want to use the phone you can use the US email support and that is routed to their help center in the Philippines I think (although that isn’t always that much better).
Last edited by NWplatinum; Dec 8, 2018 at 6:47 am
#118
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: SFO
Posts: 70
I booked an award flight on HU yesterday in J from SJC-PEK and it looks like it ticketed successfully. I took the provided HU PNR to Hainan's website to check the itinerary and to try to select seats but it keeps throwing an error of being unable to find the trip (I also tried with the ticket number). Anybody know if this is common and if it's possible to select seats in advance? I read some of the comments above and it looks like they only block some of the seats? Thanks for the help!
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