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Flying for Fun May 12, 2023 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by notquiteaff (Post 35245789)
Wait, what? So if I fly AS to SEA to connect to a partner flight, and the whole thing is an award, I don’t get a free PC seat on the AS leg if I am MVPG75K?!

No, it means that if your Partner award flight is in J and the connector flight to the gateway is in Main and E space never opens up, you aren't eligible for a complimentary status upgrade to First on the flight.

As for PC, that is a good question. If your status doesn't allow PC at booking, will you still be able to move into PC at your window? Will you be able to choose PC as a 75K+ at booking? That isn't clear. Perhaps I am jumping the gun on that one and it only applies to First upgrades.

For short West Coast flights, it may no be that big of a deal but if you are flying JFK-SFO-TYO, no status based complimentary upgrade eligibility on JFK-SFO is a bit of a bummer.

James

ad2wangnexus May 13, 2023 9:40 am

Hi All,

I also got one of the 80k J tickets on QF via AS.

Has anyone tried calling and getting AS to match to the 55k price? Thanks!

SanDiego1K May 13, 2023 9:48 am


Originally Posted by ad2wangnexus (Post 35246989)
Hi All,

I also got one of the 80k J tickets on QF via AS.

Has anyone tried calling and getting AS to match to the 55k price? Thanks!

I'm extremely grateful to have my ticket and I hope that it holds. I'm not eager to have eyes on it. As a data point, the same ticket issued directly from QF is 1.2 million points. Seriously. Incredible.

Erasmus May 13, 2023 9:59 am


Originally Posted by ad2wangnexus (Post 35246989)
Hi All,

I also got one of the 80k J tickets on QF via AS.

Has anyone tried calling and getting AS to match to the 55k price? Thanks!

uh.. Gift horse?! You got something that’s not supposed to be possible and you want a discount?!?

ad2wangnexus May 13, 2023 10:00 am


Originally Posted by oneworld_wanderer (Post 35242323)
A few days ago EVA J wide open for a few hours, and then Asiana, and now OW?

Looks like this issue is not unique to one airline not even one alliance.

Hope CX will be next.

Anyone has any idea about load factor in J?

Was there a thread for Eva or Asiana? Went to the respective FF sub-forums and couldn't find anything about Eva or Asiana.


Originally Posted by SanDiego1K (Post 35247001)
I'm extremely grateful to have my ticket and I hope that it holds. I'm not eager to have eyes on it. As a data point, the same ticket issued directly from QF is 1.2 million points. Seriously. Incredible.

Appreciate your comment. That's what I was thinking too. Would love to know if anyone has success in getting points back though haha.

Kacee May 13, 2023 11:07 am


Originally Posted by ad2wangnexus (Post 35246989)
Has anyone tried calling and getting AS to match to the 55k price? Thanks!

That would violate the cardinal FT rule, DO NOT CALL THE AIRLINE ABOUT A MISTAKE FARE. You're potential screwing not only yourself, but others who have benefitted.

tobikosan May 14, 2023 9:02 am


Originally Posted by Midex (Post 35237405)
Oof indeed!

Does anyone have experience in changing an already ticketed itinerary in these devaluation situations? I booked last week SYD-YVR on QF for 55K, but in the event I find availability on a different date that works better for me and call to reissue the ticket, still QF J, will it come back at 80K or 55K?

They would not honor on JAL when they raised the JFK-HND

oneworld_wanderer May 15, 2023 5:33 am


Originally Posted by ad2wangnexus (Post 35247028)
Was there a thread for Eva or Asiana? Went to the respective FF sub-forums and couldn't find anything about Eva or Asiana.


Appreciate your comment. That's what I was thinking too. Would love to know if anyone has success in getting points back though haha.

probably the words did not spread to Flyertalk.

EVA was short lived, Asiana lasted a day or two. I have enough miles but the Asiana J seems bit old and outdated hard product, so gave it a pass in the end.

ravi100 May 15, 2023 6:05 pm


Originally Posted by Midex (Post 35237405)
Oof indeed!

Does anyone have experience in changing an already ticketed itinerary in these devaluation situations? I booked last week SYD-YVR on QF for 55K, but in the event I find availability on a different date that works better for me and call to reissue the ticket, still QF J, will it come back at 80K or 55K?

In my opinion you'd be best off issuing that new ticket at the price that it shows and canceling the 80k booking.

22calbr May 16, 2023 4:38 am


Originally Posted by alphaeagle (Post 35242519)
I didn't see any mention of this, but like BA now, stopovers weren't allowed on QF with the award level that was release at 80K. Not sure if they are phasing them our or what. Customer service claims they still exist, but they just don't work anymore for BA and now a few others it looks like.


Nothing of the sort with QF. Stopovers are allowed on eligible A/U/T fare when redeeming points. The 80k awards were none of the above.

alphaeagle May 16, 2023 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by 22calbr (Post 35253527)
Nothing of the sort with QF. Stopovers are allowed on eligible A/U/T fare when redeeming points. The 80k awards were none of the above.

Where are you seeing that stopovers are only allowed on the cheapest fare award classes? Makes no sense they'd only offer them on the cheaper ones. I am curious if anyone has gotten a stopover on QF to work anytime recently.

Like I said, BA is gone for sure. Except in LHR, for stays of less than two weeks. That's a big devaluation to me.

Erasmus May 16, 2023 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by alphaeagle (Post 35255239)
Where are you seeing that stopovers are only allowed on the cheapest fare award classes? Makes no sense they'd only offer them on the cheaper ones. I am curious if anyone has gotten a stopover on QF to work anytime recently.

Like I said, BA is gone for sure. Except in LHR, for stays of less than two weeks. That's a big devaluation to me.

No problem at all booking stopovers both inbound and outbound in Oz as recently as last week. U overwater and mixed cabin domestic tags.

olouie May 17, 2023 11:40 am

UA just implemented no notice devaluation on its own and partner redemptions. Not a good feeling when AS has some funkiness going on.

eponymous_coward May 17, 2023 12:41 pm


Originally Posted by olouie (Post 35257607)
UA just implemented no notice devaluation on its own and partner redemptions. Not a good feeling when AS has some funkiness going on.

That's the entire point of abolishing award charts, innit? "We don't need to give you notices, there's no chart, the awards cost what they cost. Suck up and deal."

olouie May 17, 2023 7:14 pm


Originally Posted by eponymous_coward (Post 35257762)
That's the entire point of abolishing award charts, innit? "We don't need to give you notices, there's no chart, the awards cost what they cost. Suck up and deal."

Yep, but you know how many people keep saying "Alaska would never do more no notice devaluations because they promised even though they keep doing it ..." haha. All these system "glitches" are likely just testing to implement full dynamic redemptions.


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