Air Berlin Files for Bankruptcy
Sep 12, 2017, 2:05 am
#226
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Flight cancellations has started 
https://www.airberlin.com/en/site/la...nformation.php
Airberlin has to cancel flights for operational reasons today. We regret the inconvenience for our passengers. Passengers holding tickets for cancelled flights will be offered other travel options. They are kindly asked not to come to the airport and to call the airberlin Service Center. All international phonenumbers are published here: https://www.airberlin.com/…/si…/airb...ice_center.php
https://www.airberlin.com/en/site/la...nformation.php
Airberlin has to cancel flights for operational reasons today. We regret the inconvenience for our passengers. Passengers holding tickets for cancelled flights will be offered other travel options. They are kindly asked not to come to the airport and to call the airberlin Service Center. All international phonenumbers are published here: https://www.airberlin.com/…/si…/airb...ice_center.php
Sep 12, 2017, 3:39 am
#228
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This is very unfortunate and I can't see the logic of this wild strike.
Yesterday Mr. Wöhrl has offered to buy the whole AB company for 500M EUR of which 450M are future payments if he can get the turnaround working. Interesting strategy and as he has done a similar plan sucessfully in the past I won't disregard his offer as nonsense. Pilots on strike are definitely not helpful in this phase.
Yesterday Mr. Wöhrl has offered to buy the whole AB company for 500M EUR of which 450M are future payments if he can get the turnaround working. Interesting strategy and as he has done a similar plan sucessfully in the past I won't disregard his offer as nonsense. Pilots on strike are definitely not helpful in this phase.
Sep 12, 2017, 5:24 am
#229
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He offers EUR 50 million, which are not even enough to pay back the government loan. A scenario, where that loan won't be paid back is not very likely.
Wöhrl's offer based on the support of competitor bidders, including LH. But those won't support him for sure, because they have high chances to get the parts of AB they want without Wöhrl. And without support Wöhrl won't be able to cover the actual burn rate of EUR 3-4 millions per day.
And as you can see right now, it's just a myth, that only the management is responsible for the problems at AB. AB burned so much money the last years, more than EUR 2 billions. You need very poor performance on all departments to be that kind of unsuccessful. If you want to keep AB alive and getting profitable, you will need at least EUR 1.5 billion. It's much easier ad cheaper to build up a new airline than to make that center of incompetence profitable.
Sep 12, 2017, 11:07 am
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http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unt...a-1167274.html
Sep 13, 2017, 12:07 am
#235
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It seems that Aercap is about to repo 10 A330. Which would explain the reduction of long haul flights.
Last edited by oliver2002; Sep 13, 2017 at 5:07 am Reason: spelling of AerCap
Sep 13, 2017, 5:44 am
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Sep 13, 2017, 6:51 am
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I presume that BA has set an internal policy as to how it will deal with these tickets. OP would be better off making one call and then asking for a Manager. A Manager may well explain what BA is doing in general and that will leave OP his options.
BA is simply the ticketing carrier. It surprises me that BA won't rebook onto BA/AA where there is award availability. I understand that the insolvency is creating a severe strain on availability, so that may be the problem.
BA is simply the ticketing carrier. It surprises me that BA won't rebook onto BA/AA where there is award availability. I understand that the insolvency is creating a severe strain on availability, so that may be the problem.
Sep 13, 2017, 7:09 am
#240
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I presume that BA has set an internal policy as to how it will deal with these tickets. OP would be better off making one call and then asking for a Manager. A Manager may well explain what BA is doing in general and that will leave OP his options.
BA is simply the ticketing carrier. It surprises me that BA won't rebook onto BA/AA where there is award availability. I understand that the insolvency is creating a severe strain on availability, so that may be the problem.
BA is simply the ticketing carrier. It surprises me that BA won't rebook onto BA/AA where there is award availability. I understand that the insolvency is creating a severe strain on availability, so that may be the problem.
OP's experience is a presumed BA policy at this point until we get more data points. BA issued the ticket. While not required, I would think rebooking on their own metal would be an option.