The end of the LAX - LHR route
Oct 22, 2019, 1:52 pm
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Oct 22, 2019, 2:36 pm
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Oct 22, 2019, 2:44 pm
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UA are rapidly refitting their fleet with a very good J product that leaves Air NZ's product for dead.
AirNZ have not announced a time line for replacing their dated product and are losing business class clients. Air NZ are very much being left behind by competitors.
AirNZ have not announced a time line for replacing their dated product and are losing business class clients. Air NZ are very much being left behind by competitors.
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Oct 22, 2019, 2:47 pm
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I'm very disappointed. They have long been my flight to Europe from the West Coast of the USA. Not only will I have to find a new carrier now (probably Air France or Aer Lingus), it will put my Elite status in jeopardy after next year (and I just received my year 7 Elite card today), as that was one of the routes that always helped ensure I qualify. :-(
Oct 22, 2019, 2:57 pm
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Oh wait..
Oct 22, 2019, 3:00 pm
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They have announced the timeline. New seat is coming with the 787-10 in 2022 and guess the 787-9 will be updated at same time. Guess the 773 is most probably be a toss up with new seat or waiting for 773 replacement.
Oct 22, 2019, 3:00 pm
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While it's sad this is happening it's the reality that only ~30% of pax hoping on NZ1 or NZ2 were flying the whole way.
The LAX - LHR route has been reviewed numerous times over the years and only just survived after it's last review a few years ago. It relies on LAX - LHR loadings to sustain the route and while these are good it is a competitive market and NZ really don't like competing with others. Ending this will allow the return of one 77W which has a lease that expires in late 2020.
The LAX - LHR route has been reviewed numerous times over the years and only just survived after it's last review a few years ago. It relies on LAX - LHR loadings to sustain the route and while these are good it is a competitive market and NZ really don't like competing with others. Ending this will allow the return of one 77W which has a lease that expires in late 2020.
Oct 22, 2019, 3:24 pm
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Thanks for the timing update. Air NZ can continue to lose premium customers for the next three years while we wait.
Oct 22, 2019, 3:44 pm
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And on that route, MU leaves at 9pm and NZ leaves at midnight, which is a horrible time to fly (and certainly not a time you would want dinner!)
Also looking at some random dates next year business AKL-LHR-AKL is running around NZ$6k for CX, CZ and MH and EK at $7k. NZ is $11k....
Oct 22, 2019, 3:50 pm
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An example, next week I am flying China Eastern to Shanghai in their 787-9 which has individual suites with doors (keen to check it out). About 30%-40% of the cost of NZ on the same route. I understand food and service offerings are worse but its a night flight where sleep is important.
And on that route, MU leaves at 9pm and NZ leaves at midnight, which is a horrible time to fly (and certainly not a time you would want dinner!)
Also looking at some random dates next year business AKL-LHR-AKL is running around NZ$6k for CX, CZ and MH and EK at $7k. NZ is $11k....
And on that route, MU leaves at 9pm and NZ leaves at midnight, which is a horrible time to fly (and certainly not a time you would want dinner!)
Also looking at some random dates next year business AKL-LHR-AKL is running around NZ$6k for CX, CZ and MH and EK at $7k. NZ is $11k....
Oct 22, 2019, 3:52 pm
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But they've also announced the full 777/789 fleet BP seat refresh a few months ago that starts next month alongside the new Economy Stretch seats.
Oct 22, 2019, 5:09 pm
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And that's the thing that lots of people including a few people above who talk about Air NZ losing premium customers simply can't comprehend.. Air NZ are not losing premium pax - they're growing premium pax numbers despite having an inferior product that they're able to charge significantly more for than most other airlines.