Worth a short connection to avoid AF A330 business class?

Old May 7, 19, 3:17 pm
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Worth a short connection to avoid AF A330 business class?

We had a good experience on AF last year on the 777, but read the A330 is angle flat. Instead of SEA-CDG nonstop I can fly SEA-AMS-CDG with Delta on their A330, but with only a 55 minute connection in Amsterdam. I'm surprised that's even a legal connection.

Would you go for the nonstop to avoid the tight connection? Or skip Skyteam completely even (Oneworld is $2700 vs $3100 my dates)?
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Old May 7, 19, 3:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Gig103 View Post
SEA-AMS-CDG ... but with only a 55 minute connection in Amsterdam.
There are about a zillion AMS-CDG flights every day, so if you don't make your connection they'll put you on the next one.


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Old May 7, 19, 5:47 pm
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Just a suggestion - what about SEA-YVR-CDG? It would be AF 777 for the YVR-CDG leg. I'm also SEA based and I often fly J YVR-AMS or YVR-CDG because the prices are better (stacked with Amex IAP), typically around ~2200 USD.
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Old May 7, 19, 7:15 pm
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Originally Posted by lily23 View Post
Just a suggestion - what about SEA-YVR-CDG? It would be AF 777 for the YVR-CDG leg. I'm also SEA based and I often fly J YVR-AMS or YVR-CDG because the prices are better (stacked with Amex IAP), typically around ~2200 USD.
I will check that option too.

Do these replies indicate that skipping the AF nonstop is worth trying to do?
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Old May 7, 19, 11:17 pm
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Originally Posted by lily23 View Post
Just a suggestion - what about SEA-YVR-CDG? It would be AF 777 for the YVR-CDG leg. I'm also SEA based and I often fly J YVR-AMS or YVR-CDG because the prices are better (stacked with Amex IAP), typically around ~2200 USD.
The YVR-CDG flight has a horrible schedule though: you're leaving YVR at 1:25pm and arrive in CDG the next day at 8:15am local time. The Best cabin probably helps, but it's still tricky to sleep long enough.
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Old May 8, 19, 12:19 am
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Doesn't SEA-CDG have the retrofitted A330 J seats already?
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Old May 8, 19, 3:45 am
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Originally Posted by Gig103 View Post
Do these replies indicate that skipping the AF nonstop is worth trying to do?
I don't think so IMHO.
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Old May 8, 19, 3:28 pm
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Good point on the timing for the yvr-cdg flight! I donít mind the timing as much since I like arriving nice and early in Paris but Iím also a good plane sleeper =)

with that being said, in regards to whether itís worth changing the non stop flight, Iíve never been able to sleep on an angle flat seat (I always feel like Iím sliding off, being short probably doesnít help) so I would absolutely choose a one stop vs non stop if it meant lie flat vs. Angle flat. So depends on your preference/ timing/ flexibility/etc.
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Old May 10, 19, 12:01 am
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Not sure about the seats on the AF A330 and what is the better option. But if you choose to route through AMS you can almost always choose for a longer connection for the same fare. These connections are not always shown among the primary options but if you click on "Show more options" at the bottom there will normally be plenty of choices with a longer layover.
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Originally Posted by lily23 View Post
Iíve never been able to sleep on an angle flat seat (I always feel like Iím sliding off, being short probably doesnít help) so I would absolutely choose a one stop vs non stop if it meant lie flat vs. Angle flat. So depends on your preference/ timing/ flexibility/etc. (...)
NEV4 is not angled flat. It is not flat neither.
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Old May 10, 19, 1:34 am
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If it's just about the seats, for me it's a no-brainer and I'll take the non-stop.
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If it's just about the seats, for me it's a no-brainer and I'll take the non-stop.
Definitely. The NEV4 is not that bad. No sliding.

In a 777, the risk is to get a middle seat, but there are none in an A330.
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Old May 11, 19, 8:25 am
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Definitely. The NEV4 is not that bad. No sliding.

In a 777, the risk is to get a middle seat, but there are none in an A330.
fully agree.
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Just coming back from Rio on the same NEV4 seats as on the A330. I was surprised by the comfort of those seats. Minimum angle and inclination you donít feel when sleeping. Air France used to have NEV3 seats in the past on the B777 but they have disappeared now and the NEV4 are much more comfortable. A few A380 have those NEV3 seats though. Be aware.
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