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Gig103 May 7, 2019 3:17 pm

Worth a short connection to avoid AF A330 business class?
 
We had a good experience on AF last year on the 777, but read the A330 is angle flat. Instead of SEA-CDG nonstop I can fly SEA-AMS-CDG with Delta on their A330, but with only a 55 minute connection in Amsterdam. I'm surprised that's even a legal connection.

Would you go for the nonstop to avoid the tight connection? Or skip Skyteam completely even (Oneworld is $2700 vs $3100 my dates)?

johan rebel May 7, 2019 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by Gig103 (Post 31077237)
SEA-AMS-CDG ... but with only a 55 minute connection in Amsterdam.

There are about a zillion AMS-CDG flights every day, so if you don't make your connection they'll put you on the next one.


Johan

lily23 May 7, 2019 5:47 pm

Just a suggestion - what about SEA-YVR-CDG? It would be AF 777 for the YVR-CDG leg. I'm also SEA based and I often fly J YVR-AMS or YVR-CDG because the prices are better (stacked with Amex IAP), typically around ~2200 USD.

Gig103 May 7, 2019 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by lily23 (Post 31077605)
Just a suggestion - what about SEA-YVR-CDG? It would be AF 777 for the YVR-CDG leg. I'm also SEA based and I often fly J YVR-AMS or YVR-CDG because the prices are better (stacked with Amex IAP), typically around ~2200 USD.

I will check that option too.

Do these replies indicate that skipping the AF nonstop is worth trying to do?

SkyteamEP May 7, 2019 11:17 pm


Originally Posted by lily23 (Post 31077605)
Just a suggestion - what about SEA-YVR-CDG? It would be AF 777 for the YVR-CDG leg. I'm also SEA based and I often fly J YVR-AMS or YVR-CDG because the prices are better (stacked with Amex IAP), typically around ~2200 USD.

The YVR-CDG flight has a horrible schedule though: you're leaving YVR at 1:25pm and arrive in CDG the next day at 8:15am local time. The Best cabin probably helps, but it's still tricky to sleep long enough.

Sjondorn May 8, 2019 12:19 am

Doesn't SEA-CDG have the retrofitted A330 J seats already?

Goldorak May 8, 2019 3:45 am


Originally Posted by Gig103 (Post 31077812)
Do these replies indicate that skipping the AF nonstop is worth trying to do?

I don't think so IMHO.

lily23 May 8, 2019 3:28 pm

Good point on the timing for the yvr-cdg flight! I don’t mind the timing as much since I like arriving nice and early in Paris but I’m also a good plane sleeper =)

with that being said, in regards to whether it’s worth changing the non stop flight, I’ve never been able to sleep on an angle flat seat (I always feel like I’m sliding off, being short probably doesn’t help) so I would absolutely choose a one stop vs non stop if it meant lie flat vs. Angle flat. So depends on your preference/ timing/ flexibility/etc.

sbams May 10, 2019 12:01 am

Not sure about the seats on the AF A330 and what is the better option. But if you choose to route through AMS you can almost always choose for a longer connection for the same fare. These connections are not always shown among the primary options but if you click on "Show more options" at the bottom there will normally be plenty of choices with a longer layover.

carnarvon May 10, 2019 1:25 am


Originally Posted by lily23 (Post 31081005)
I’ve never been able to sleep on an angle flat seat (I always feel like I’m sliding off, being short probably doesn’t help) so I would absolutely choose a one stop vs non stop if it meant lie flat vs. Angle flat. So depends on your preference/ timing/ flexibility/etc. (...)

NEV4 is not angled flat. It is not flat neither.

Ditto May 10, 2019 1:34 am

If it's just about the seats, for me it's a no-brainer and I'll take the non-stop.

carnarvon May 11, 2019 5:47 am


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 31085885)
If it's just about the seats, for me it's a no-brainer and I'll take the non-stop.

Definitely. The NEV4 is not that bad. No sliding.

In a 777, the risk is to get a middle seat, but there are none in an A330.

Goldorak May 11, 2019 8:25 am


Originally Posted by carnarvon (Post 31089690)
Definitely. The NEV4 is not that bad. No sliding.

In a 777, the risk is to get a middle seat, but there are none in an A330.

fully agree.

LY777 May 12, 2019 3:08 am

When do you fly?
AF will soon switch to refurbished A330s to SEA!

vinzbg May 18, 2019 3:43 pm

Just coming back from Rio on the same NEV4 seats as on the A330. I was surprised by the comfort of those seats. Minimum angle and inclination you don’t feel when sleeping. Air France used to have NEV3 seats in the past on the B777 but they have disappeared now and the NEV4 are much more comfortable. A few A380 have those NEV3 seats though. Be aware.


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