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mfkne Sep 29, 2017 2:53 am

Due to fly AMS-GRU tomorrow on KL - I see one seat in C, but no upgrade offered during OLCI. I called KL to enquire - they could book me into that seat by changing my ticket for a mere 2500 EUR. I'll check at the airport again tomorrow.

Ditto Sep 29, 2017 3:47 am

Where do you see this one seat? it is very likely they could overbook you in J for 2500€ and that there aren't actually any seats available if everyone shows up.

mfkne Sep 29, 2017 5:06 am

I see the seat in Expertflyer, and they have confirmed the seat is available.

Ditto Sep 29, 2017 5:10 am

Actually I see J2 C2 for that flight, but it just means there are available tickets to buy, it doesn't say how many tickets were already sold.

mfkne Sep 29, 2017 6:03 am

I don't know where you're looking, but EF shows J1 and everything else zeroed out on KL791 tomorrow.

Ditto Sep 29, 2017 6:07 am

hrm it is indeed J1 and 0 for everything else now, so even better, unlikely that there is an actual seat available, it just means they are happy to overbook it by 1 more seat.

mfkne Sep 29, 2017 6:13 am

Weirdly though, if I try to book business class for that flight on KLM.com now, I'm quoted 6000-odd Euros with a note "only 2 seats available at that price", but no option to select a seat, which corroborates the idea that it's actually full.

Ditto Sep 29, 2017 6:16 am

You can't select a seat because the flight is already "in the checkin system", EF doesn't have NL POS, so that could explain why you see 2 and EF shows 1 (or it could just be "fluctuating")

mfkne Sep 29, 2017 8:49 am

I checked again about half an hour ago, and all of a sudden 6 seats had opened up in business class and I managed to score one for 454 EUR.

KL803 Sep 29, 2017 9:01 am


Originally Posted by mfkne (Post 28873454)
I checked again about half an hour ago, and all of a sudden 6 seats had opened up in business class and I managed to score one for 454 EUR.

OK, not a bad price. What was your original fare class? And was there a mileage option as well?

mfkne Sep 29, 2017 9:30 am

There was no mileage option that I saw. The original fare class was K.

KL803 Sep 30, 2017 7:00 am


Originally Posted by KL803 (Post 28841365)
That's also how I understand it. The MMB hasn't changed yet for my booking, asking for 80K Y to C (60K Y to W) miles for the SIN-CDG leg. I will definitely log-in at T-56 to see if there are changes.

It's now T-50 or so hours for my SIN-CDG flight and the following message appears:


All eligible seats for upgrade have just been booked. We are unable to complete your request anymore.
Checking award availability, classic awards are still available in W and C which is of course no indication for upgrade availability. Well, next stop is T-30 for OLCI, will see what's on offer then.

Ditto Sep 30, 2017 7:07 am


Originally Posted by KL803 (Post 28876964)
It's now T-50 or so hours for my SIN-CDG flight and the following message appears:

Checking award availability, classic awards are still available in W and C which is of course no indication for upgrade availability. Well, next stop is T-30 for OLCI, will see what's on offer then.

SIN-CDG for October 2nd currently have following availability:
POS France: P4 F3 J4 C4 D4 I4 Z4 O1 W7 S7 A7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L1 Q4 T9 E0 N9 R8 V7 X6 G0
POS Singapore: P4 F3 J4 C4 D4 I4 Z4 O2 W7 S7 A7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L1 Q4 T9 E0 N9 R8 V0 X0 G0

So it seems quite surprising that there aren't any seats available for upgrade

Goldorak Sep 30, 2017 10:08 am


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 28870327)
UPDATE : looking again at the seat map for my tomorrow’s flight, a paid upgrade offer poped-up (3 seats available), but €119, while it was €89 for my inbound flight :(
still cash only.

Another update (TXL-CDG) : between H-30 and H-4, I looked regularly at the seat map and sometimes the C upgrade was proposed and sometimes not, and when proposed it was always €119 with 3 seats available. From about H-4 to flight time, the upgrade was not proposed anymore and all Y seats were taken on the seat map. Finally, I got a free op-up at the gate ^ :D

KL803 Sep 30, 2017 10:27 am


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 28876973)
SIN-CDG for October 2nd currently have following availability:
POS France: P4 F3 J4 C4 D4 I4 Z4 O1 W7 S7 A7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L1 Q4 T9 E0 N9 R8 V7 X6 G0
POS Singapore: P4 F3 J4 C4 D4 I4 Z4 O2 W7 S7 A7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L1 Q4 T9 E0 N9 R8 V0 X0 G0

So it seems quite surprising that there aren't any seats available for upgrade

Yes it is indeed weird. I‘ve sent a DM via Social Media to AF, wondering what their reply will be. An interesting thing: before T-56 many seats in Y were available, but at the time I logged in, a lot have been taken. Currently I have 33H with G empty, E & F taken, Fingers crossed that either mysteriously an upgrade will be available or at least 33G remains empty 😃.


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